The Symbolic World20 Sep 2025

411 - Dr. Michael Levin & Dr. John Vervaeke - Brave New Biology: Intelligence Trumps DNA

Dr. Michael Levin is a professor in the Department of Biology at Tufts University and an associate faculty member at the Wyss Institute at Harvard. He directs the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts, where his team integrates biophysics, computational modeling, and behavioral science to study how cellular collectives make decisions during embryogenesis, regeneration, and cancer.

Levin’s research centers on diverse forms of intelligence and unconventional embodied minds, bridging conceptual theory, experimental biology, and translational work aimed at regenerative medicine. His lab also pioneers efforts in artificial intelligence and the bioengineering of novel living machines.

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John Vervaeke's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke

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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
01:14 - Intro music
01:40 - Introduction
02:23 - What Michael does
06:19 - Example experiments
07:51 - Memories outside the brain
12:46 - Terminology: memory
13:59 - Communicate to biological cells
15:54 - Limitations?
17:39 - Platonic patterns
34:06 - Incarnation and constraints
39:26 - Causes
49:28 - New beings in new spaces
52:25 - What the Enlightenment dismissed
55:32 - Molecular medicine
57:36 - Subtle bodies
01:00:45 - Ethics
01:03:37 - Medical and meaning applications
01:11:42 - Frightening
01:14:31 - Against the status quo
01:19:03 - Should we dabble in this technology?

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