147. Is Thorin Gold-Sick or Just Sick of the Elves – The Hobbit #32

147. Is Thorin Gold-Sick or Just Sick of the Elves – The Hobbit #32

The talking birds bring news of the dragon’s demise to the dwarves–only to find a host of elves and men are coming to the mountain’s gate. Bard makes his claim for a portion of the treasure, but Thorin finds his reasons lacking–or is it just his lust for the treasure overtaking him?

This episode, we look at:

  • More (very old) talking birds
  • Thorin’s “dragon sickness” — or is it his dwarven heart?
  • Bard’s three reasons for having a claim to the treasure
  • Who’s at fault for starting the battle?df
  • What effect does the elves’ presence have on Thorin’s response?

In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk about:

  • Are we warming up to how Peter Jackson portrayed Thorin’s dragon sickness? Well….
  • How Thorin’s change in the films lessens his deathbed turn in the books.
  • The most egregious change in The Hobbit films is…

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91. Finishing Tolkien’s Unfinished Tale – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 7

91. Finishing Tolkien’s Unfinished Tale – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 7

Join our Discord Channel! We don’t know if Tolkien intended on ever finishing this story of Aldarion and Erendis. Written later in life, it is perhaps his most emotionally gut wrenching tale…. and it deserves to be finished! Jonathan lays begins to lay out the entire story of Aldarion, starting at his birth and helping to round out the world of Numenor at this time, while also bringing in greater roles for some characters and places Tolkien mentions but never really fleshes out. AND it’s ALL done by staying true to the lore Tolkien set out without changing ANYTHING he told us (unlike some recent TV show on Amazon that treated Tolkien’s works like a dog treats homework). And we think it’s a great story that DESERVES bigger recognition! Then, in our extended episode (become a member to get it at https://theonering.com/members): * Was Erendis really co-dependent with Ancalime, or was she just responding to how Aldarion treated her? * How did Middle-earth have food like tomatoes and tobacco if there was no new world yet discovered? BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Audiobook Join our Discord Community (for free) 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Letters of JRR Tolkien Audiobook The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat

5 Mar 202453min

90. A Spiteful Marriage, a New Enemy, and a Watery End – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 6

90. A Spiteful Marriage, a New Enemy, and a Watery End – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 6

Michael and I talk about “The Further Course of the Narrative” in Aldarion and Erendis. Tolkien made some notes about where the story would go, but at times they’re contradictory, and there’s no cohesive plot to speak of. What it is, though, is a glimpse into how Tolkien crafted his world, how there was no cohesive outline but times when his mind was simply driven to write the ideas that came to him. We look at: * How Tolkien wrote this way * Ancalime’s family life–with her parents and husband * Erendis and how, in a way, she can be compared to Eowyn * Was Erendis’ death hopeful or hopeless? Then, in our extended episode (become a member to get it at https://theonering.com/members): * More thoughts on Aldarion meeting Celeborn and Galadriel * If these stories were “preserved” by Gondor, why would such thoughts by Erendis be saved? * What were the “emissaries” of Sauron to the elves at this time? What of using men against them? Join our Discord Channel (for free!) BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat

27 Feb 202450min

89. The Sacrificial King and the Fallen Queen – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 5

89. The Sacrificial King and the Fallen Queen – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 5

As we close out the prose of this story, the king makes a great sacrifice for the greater good of Númenor, and the new queen becomes a pitiable creature with no hope for her own future. We look at: * Meneldur’s Sacrifice * Aldarion’s Redemption * Erendis’s descent into self-pity Then, in our extended episode (become a member to get it at https://theonering.com/members): * Did Aldarion provoke Sauron with his journeys to Middle-earth? * Why does Tolkien focus so much on the problem with pride? * Was Aldarion’s dream something given to him by the Valar (or Illuvatar)? Join our Discord Channel (for free!) BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) Sad: Man Faltering On His ‘Read Through The Silmarillion In A Year’ Plan (Babylon Bee article) 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat

20 Feb 202446min

88. Middle-earth’s Worst Dad – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 4

88. Middle-earth’s Worst Dad – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 4

Aldarion gets married and is able to stay on land for a few years… up until his daughter turns 4, and then he just can’t stay away from the sea anymore. We look at: * Does Tolkien hate Aldarion? * What drives Aldarion? * Does Erendis hate everything? * Home is where your wife is Then, in our extended episode (become a member to get it at https://theonering.com/members): * Should the kingship of Númenor had more constitutional rules? * Would Middle-earth have been better off with Meneldur instead of Aldarion? * Did the elves need Aldarion? Join our Discord Channel (for free!) ► https://discord.gg/fRATdAqEFr BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) Middle-earth Mixer 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat

13 Feb 202447min

87. Mariner, King, or Husband? – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 3

87. Mariner, King, or Husband? – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 3

Join our Discord Community (for free)! In this episode we learn when Tolkien wrote this story, as well as what might have inspired him to put this to paper. Then, Aldarion and Erendis FINALLY get married! But Aldarion manages to get in one more voyage before committing to it… and then we get elves! And birds! And a white tree! We look at: Tolkien getting inspired by the Prose Edda again! When Tolkien wrote Aldarion and Erendis (it was AFTER the Lord of the Rings!) Is Aldarion a Mariner or King? What’s important about the elves coming to their wedding–and which elves were they!? Erendis bears a real resemblance to Lúthien. Was this intentional? In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk more about these changes, and also: A deeper discussion into the parallels between Edith Tolkien and Erendis Why do we get a glimpse of Erendis’ thoughts, in a much deeper level than Aldarion’s? BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) The Númenorean Helm The Road to Middle-earth by Tom Shippey 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

6 Feb 202453min

86. Men are from Mars, Women Hate the Ocean – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 2

86. Men are from Mars, Women Hate the Ocean – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 2

Join our Discord Community (for free)! Jonathan and Michael continue their analysis of “Aldarion and Erendis”.  These two aren’t exactly star-crossed lovers–their complicated and long-gestating relationship runs for decades, and that’s just BEFORE they get married. Aldarion tries to balance his love of the sea with his love for Erendis… and fights the battle ceaselessly! In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk more about these changes, and also: * Did the Valar remove their protection from Aldarion? * Was their relationship ever actually compatible? * And what’s up with Aldarion’s title, Lord of the Ships and Havens of Númenor? BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

30 Jan 20240s

85. This Sea is NOT Always Right – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 1

85. This Sea is NOT Always Right – Aldarion and Erendis – Part 1

Join our Discord Community (for free)! After Christopher Tolkien published The Silmarillion, he looked in his father’s notes for more works… and then published Unfinished Tales. This week, Jonathan, Michael, and one of our favorite guests– the Middle-earth Mixer– look at the tale of “Aldarion and Erendis: The Mariner’s Wife”! It’s not exactly a happy story, but as you’d expect with anything Tolkien writes, it’s full of meaning, beauty, depth and wisdom. In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk more about these changes, and also: * Did Meneldur push Aldarion away? * Did Aldarion dislike Númenor? * What about Aldarion and the Harfoots? * And more members-only questions! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Discord Community (for free) 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien The Silmarillion The Fall of Númenor The Fall of Gondolin The Children of Hurin The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

23 Jan 20240s

84. Removing Radagast and Hobbit Thieves : Film Changes #27 and #28

84. Removing Radagast and Hobbit Thieves : Film Changes #27 and #28

Join our free Discord community! These are our last 2 changes for awhile — listen to hear what we’ll be reading next! Radagast is completely excised from the film… which might just have been a good decision Merry and Pippin become common veggie thieves that just happen to run into Frodo and Sam in a cornfield. Lucky coincidence. In our extended episode (available for our members — https://theonering.com/members) we talk more about these changes, and also: Questions from our members about Farmer Maggot and Mushrooms. Farmer Maggot — the John Wick of Middle-earth Generating action hero maggot with AI art…. check out these images! 👉 https://www.theonering.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Farmer-Maggot-and-Dogs-Poster.jpg 👉 https://www.theonering.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Farmer-Maggot-Defends-his-Mushrooms.jpg 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Join our Free Discord Community Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

16 Jan 202433min

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