The Power of Data-driven Pricing Solutions for Your SaaS Business with Bryan Belanger
Impact Pricing30 Jan 2023

The Power of Data-driven Pricing Solutions for Your SaaS Business with Bryan Belanger

Bryan Belanger is the senior director of Technology Business Research. He's also the senior director at XaaS Pricing, a subsidiary of TBR that helps SaaS companies price on a data-driven approach.

In this episode, Bryan talks about the work that XaaS Pricing does and who their target customers are. He also shares his insights on other business and pricing models and how you could choose which one works best for your business.

Why you have to check out today’s podcast:

  • Find out who XaaS Pricing are and how they might be able to help with your business
  • Learn how to create a simple yet effective business framework by talking to your customers
  • Get insights on the current trends such as usage-based pricing and product-led growth

“Create a simple framework that works for you. For me, it's probably talk to ten customers; and that, I think, can help you. I think the hardest part is often knowing where to start or what you're even trying to solve for is. So, find a framework that works for you, that focuses on talking to your customers and asking these questions, and let it snowball from there.”

– Bryan Belanger

Topics Covered:

01:51 – How Bryan got into pricing

02:56 – How XaaS started

03:40 – What XaaS Pricing actually does, and who their target customers are

05:00 – Why you’d want XaaS Pricing’s products if you’re a medium-sized company

09:41 – XaaS Pricing’s vision: Systematize the Van Westendorp model

13:46 – Why people in B2B and SaaS businesses are not focusing at their competitors’ prices

15:41 – How XaaS deals with pricing for new customers vs pricing for existing customers

17:34 – Bryan’s thoughts on usage-based pricing

19:38 – Usage-based pricing works for some companies, but not for everyone

21:54 – Bryan’s thoughts on product-led growth

25:17 – Does XaaS Pricing use the product-led growth business model?

26:17 – Bryan’s pricing advice

27:32 – Connect with Bryan Belanger

Key Takeaways:

“I think there's a lot of great tools that if you know what to input, you can build, manage, measure, communicate economic value. But I think the gap is in actually finding the parts of the formula to input into those tools.” – Bryan Belanger

“Just building that muscle of talking to customers and understanding them. That's how I learned, it’s just doing hundreds and hundreds of interviews and surveys. And I think the same applies within companies.” – Bryan Belanger

“I think the instances of true usage-based pricing are still edge cases, and most are just thinking about usage as a way to fence in package offerings more so than they are actually pricing based on usage.” – Bryan Belanger

“It's [product-led growth] not going to work for everybody... If it doesn't work for your customers, it really comes down to who you're targeting, what they value, how you engage with them, all those things. And so, I think like anything else, take it for the secular trend it is. Watch it, understand, learn, but don't jump in and try and change everything just because it's what worked for the people that it worked for.” – Bryan Belanger

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Blogcast #59: Data and/or Value

Blogcast #59: Data and/or Value

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 11, 2022, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/data-and-or-value/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Memecast #62: Business Case

Memecast #62: Business Case

If buyers are asking us for a business case, or help to write their own business case, what they're trying to do is document economic value. How much money is our product going to make or save their company? Well, this is awesome because what we want to do is help our buyers understand value. This is the exact best situation that we could possibly be in. So, what we as salespeople should be doing is understanding, how is it that our buyers get value from our products? And I can tell you it's not our features. And in fact, it's probably benefits, but it's benefits translated into, first, what's the problem we're solving for the customer? What's the expected result the customer might get? And finally, how do we turn that into dollars for that individual customer? When you've mastered this skill, and you can talk like this constantly, you will definitely win more deals at higher prices. We hope you enjoyed this memecast. This impactful insight came from the book, Selling Value, which I wrote to help salespeople win more deals at higher prices. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me mark@impactpricing.com. Now go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Rapid Needs-based Segmentation with a Pricing Twist! with Matt Johnston and Pavel Knorr

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EPIC Conjoint’s CEO Matt Johnston and CTO Pavel Knorr help companies win by enabling game changing product and pricing decisions. At EPIC Conjoint, experts combine their deep domain knowledge with innovative research platforms. With this, they enable clients to better understand their customer’s preferences so they can make precise product and pricing decisions at great speed. In this episode, Mark engages in a conversation about conjoint with EPIC Conjoint leaders, Matt and Pavel.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Learn the importance of running market segmentation studies and figuring out what people’s price sensitivity is to know which groups are becoming more price sensitive Find out why you should understand the challenges your target market is facing and react accordingly to that to be of help instead of going for your typical pricing mechanics Understand why you should be realistic in the way you do your design   “If you're addressing the question ‘what is the proper price right now?’ and ‘what is the proper price three months after?’ you have to properly specify the price intervals for that, and you have to deal with – specifically in conjoint – you have to deal with the realistic market situation. – Pavel Knorr   Topics Covered: 01:25 – The backstory of how Pavel got into pricing 02:49 – Going back to the story on how and why EPIC Conjoint came to exist 05:56 – Talking about EPIC Conjoint’s project which Mark got involved with 09:56 – The global economy, recession, and its impact on people’s purchase decisions 17:08 – The challenge that arises when inflation rises but incomes do not 21:40 – Making decisions in the midst of supply constraints 29:50 – What Mark loves about what Conjoint does + the beauty of Conjoint 31:59 – Pavel’s piece of pricing advice for today’s listeners 33:39 – Connect with Matt, Pavel, and EPIC Conjoint   Key Takeaways: “When you have product development background, for you, it's actually quite important when you want to come up with the product line up, when you're doing the product optimization, because it's fine to get the product which shows the overall quite good results with the aggregated view. However, in the reality, it might end up with the case when you have build the product that platform suggested to be the best aggregate of products in the market, however, nobody really needs it because all your market is several subgroups of the niche customers.” – Pavel Knorr “We believe most people make purchases based on their needs. And what we've seen in the work we've done with clients is that needs can dictate different willingness to pay under different price sensitivities.” – Matt Johnston “Conjoint is the good tool to compare yourself against the competitors, but it's not performing well when it's considering buy or no buy at all. All the magic behind the conjoint is something like 50% of success, because if you collect the bad data or from wrong people, you will have nothing as the output; nothing useful for you as the output.” – Pavel Knorr   People / Resources Mentioned: EPIC Conjoint:https://www.epicconjoint.com/ O2:https://www.o2.co.uk/ Telefónica: https://www.telefonica.com/ URIDU: https://www.uridu.org/ BMW: https://www.bmw.com/ Hyundai: https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/ Audi: https://www.audi.com/   Connect with Matt Johnston: Website:https://www.epicconjoint.com/ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-johnston-5a53672 Email: mattjohnston@epicconjoint.com   Connect with Pavel Knorr: Website:https://www.epicconjoint.com/ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/pavel-knorr/ Email: pavelknorr@epicconjoint.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast #58: Taking the Ambiguity Out of Value

Blogcast #58: Taking the Ambiguity Out of Value

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 4, 2022, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/taking-the-ambiguity-out-of-value/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Memecast #61: Use Behavioral Economics After Value

Memecast #61: Use Behavioral Economics After Value

Behavioral economics are fun. These are those tactics, the things that we see where our buyers are behaving irrationally, and yet we know they're irrational and we can take advantage of it. In fact, my dissertation in my doctoral program was on 99 cents, and why does 99 cents work, and it's because buyers tend to be irrational. We should think of each penny or each dollar is identical, but we don't. The thing is, although these behavioral economics tactics work, and we really should be paying attention to them because we want to present our pricing in the best light possible, it's only marginally effective. We need to get the value part right. If we don't get the value part right, it doesn't matter how we use our behavioral economics. Now, to be fair, you can get the value part right and totally mess up a deal with horrible behavioral economics. So, both are important. But you absolutely have to understand value and get that right if you expect to win more deals at higher price. We hope you enjoyed this memecast. This impactful insight came from the book, Selling Value, which I wrote to help salespeople win more deals at higher prices. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me mark@impactpricing.com. Now go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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What You Need to Know About the Market of Mobile Virtual Network Operators with Magdalena Bay

What You Need to Know About the Market of Mobile Virtual Network Operators with Magdalena Bay

Magdalena Bay has been working in business development for eight years now. She is an expert in the MVNO market, but outside of work, she loves spending time with her kids and showing her golden retrievers at dog shows. In this episode, Magda educates us on how Mobile Virtual Network Operators (MVNOs) work, especially with how Mobile Network Operators (MNOs) and MVNOs price their offers.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Learn what the MNO and MVNO are all about; Understand how MNOs and MVNOs provide value to their customers; and Find out how pricing works in the MVNO market   “You need to give time to your customers so they can adjust to the new models you are trying to introduce. And maybe, sometimes, the strategy that you're implementing won't work in the beginning, but if you just wait little by little, then it can bring the results.”  – Magdalena Bay   Topics Covered: 01:45 – How Magda got into pricing 02:10 – Learning how Mobile Network Operators (MNOs) and Mobile Virtual Network Operators (MVNOs) work 07:21 – Why pricing in the MVNO market is interesting 09:27 – Sample scenarios of how MVNO provides value to customers 11:34 – How pricing in MVNO works 14:26 – What it means to play on a breakage when you’re in the MVNO market 16:20 – Magda asks Mark: “How do you approach your consulting when you’re in a totally new industry for you?” 18:18 – Does Mark have plans of getting experience from other countries and industries? 23:14 – Magda’s piece of pricing advice for the listeners   Key Takeaways: “Pricing here is extremely difficult, in the sense that obviously, some of the customers wants to have everything the cheapest possible way. And in this setup, the infrastructure and building, everything cost your investment. You have to get your return on this investment. And as you mentioned before, MVNOs are always competing with these big boys, with MNOs, so this is almost impossible to be on the same pricing level.” – Magdalena Bay “Assuming that you would get also unlimited plans from the MNO, you are very limited on how much you can earn, because you are only limited to this, let's say, two zloty per bundle or two euro per bundle – just any number I’m saying now – and you can't grow on this, if you know what I mean.” – Magdalena Bay   People / Resources Mentioned: AT&T: https://www.att.com/ Verizon: https://www.verizon.com/ Orange: https://www.orange.com/ T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/ Free: https://www.free.fr/ Teleco: https://www.teleco.com.br/ Affinity Cellular: https://www.affinitycellular.com/ Airvoice Wireless: https://www.airvoicewireless.com/ Assist Wireless: https://www.assistwireless.com/ Beast Mobile: https://beastmobile.net/   Connect with Magdalena Bay:  LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/magdalenabay/ Email: baymagda@gmail.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast #57: The Value of Selling Value

Blogcast #57: The Value of Selling Value

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on April 27, 2022, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/the-value-of-selling-value/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Memecast #60: Value Propositions are General

Memecast #60: Value Propositions are General

Your marketing department, your product managers, somebody in your company has probably created value propositions for your products. And I love these. These are great because hopefully we've taken the time to think about the average customer, the generic customer, what's the real problem they're trying to solve. The key for us though, if we're thinking about selling to individual buyers, is each buyer has a different set of problems. Each buyer is looking for a different set of results. What we want to be able to do is understand those value propositions and then query with the buyer where do they really feel the pain, what are the things this buyer is trying to get accomplished? And a great salesperson is able to take the individual customers, or buyers, problems and translate that into perceived value in their minds. We hope you enjoyed this memecast. This impactful insight came from the book, Selling Value, which I wrote to help salespeople win more deals at higher prices. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me mark@impactpricing.com. Now go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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