Agile Pricing: Why it Matters, Solving Usage-Based Pricing Challenges with Griff Parry
Impact Pricing20 Mar 2023

Agile Pricing: Why it Matters, Solving Usage-Based Pricing Challenges with Griff Parry

Griff Parry is the Founder and CEO of m3ter where he helps make it easy for SaaS companies to intelligently deploy and manage usage-based pricing. He's led AWS’ go-to market strategy for games and gambling in EMEA, and his background includes entertainment at Sky TV and accounting at Ernst & Young. Griff was an extra in the movie “First Night” around 1993.

In this episode, Griff shares the work that they do at m3ter in helping customers deploy and manage usage-based pricing. He also discusses common pricing challenges, especially on doing a price change, emphasizing the importance of agility and transformation.

Why you have to checkout today’s podcast:

  • Understand the importance of having the agility to change pricing models quickly and in different situations, especially as to why pricing is not a one-and-done thing
  • Discover how m3ter helps SaaS companies make it easy to deploy and manage usage-based pricing
  • Find out in which circumstance usage-based pricing works best as you learn about different pricing philosophies

“Particularly in these market conditions, I would suggest that you set yourself up so that you can customize pricing by customer, or do more of that. There is a lot of money you'll be leaving on the table if you have a one-size-fits-all pricing strategy.”

– Griff Parry

Topics Covered:

01:49 – How Griff got into pricing

03:05 – What m3ter aims to solve in relation to usage-based pricing

05:06 – Delivering agility to the customers (why pricing is not a one-and-done thing)

08:57 – How m3ter helps customers find the right pricing model for the right situation

11:30 – Circumstances wherein you’d want to use usage-based pricing

14:45 – Pricing is an exchange of value between you and your customers

16:09 – Bill for overage over cap vs. renegotiate next year (tips on do’s and don’ts)

20:02 – Platform versus solution pricing (pricing philosophy of AWS and m3ter)

30:59 – Griff’s pricing advice

33:05 – Connect with Griff

Key Takeaways:

“Pricing is complicated; it involves lots of people. You need to bring them together so that they can plan and deploy those changes.” – Griff Parry

“Pricing is very definitely not one-and-done.” – Griff Parry

“To work out what you want to price, you have to look at what's going on at the moment. You have to have ready access to data about what people are consuming and how they respond to pricing changes.” – Griff Parry

“Pricing is an exchange of value between you and your customers. If they understand that they should pay more because they're using more or getting more value, that's fantastic; that's great for both parties.” – Griff Parry

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Pricing Table Topics: 4 of Spades – Determine Purchasing Power Before Negotiating

Pricing Table Topics: 4 of Spades – Determine Purchasing Power Before Negotiating

This one is the 4 of Spades from the Selling Value card deck. Every time a salesperson gets in front of a procurement officer, a purchasing agent, however they're called, the purchasing agent will act price sensitive. Their job is to get a better price for their company.  And so, they will always tell you that your price is too high, they need a discount. And you have to decide as a salesperson, do you want to give it to them? And here's the trick, does the purchasing agent actually have any power or authority to influence the decision process?  If you're selling a commodity, and they could go to three, or four, or 10 different sources to get essentially the exact same thing, and those are all approved sources for the manufacturing capability, procurement has a lot of power. You need to do a great job at making sure procurement stays happy and figure out what it really takes to close that deal.  On the other hand, if you're selling a piece of capital equipment and you've had a long sales cycle selling to a relatively large committee of people who've been debating, what's the best solution for us? And then they take that to procurement so the purchasing can go buy it. It turns out, procurement has almost no power.  They'll pretend to have a lot of power, but they really don't. The decision was made by the committee. And so, we don't have to give big discounts to procurement in situations like that. Here's the problem, it takes guts.  So, do you have the guts? We hope you enjoyed this example of Pricing Table Topics. What you just heard was done without a script. If you want to get better at speaking about pricing and value, grab a deck of our cards, pick a card, read the saying, and then talk for one to two minutes about what that card says. You'll become a better speaker and expert. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me, mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving:  Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Pricing Table Topics: 5 of Diamonds – Give Salespeople Discount Authority

Pricing Table Topics: 5 of Diamonds – Give Salespeople Discount Authority

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Monetization-Driven Growth: What It Means and How It Works with Alessandro Monti

Alessandro Monti is a pricing enthusiast and expert on all topics related to monetization, conversion, upselling, digital pricing, price management, and business and pricing history. In this episode, Alessandro highlights the importance of adopting a monetization-led growth approach for your business and emphasizes the need to start implementing this strategy early on in your business.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Learn to redefine growth in the sense of making it profitable and sustainable Discover the importance of a monetization-driven growth strategy for the long-term success and sustainability of your business Find the ideal pricing metric for your business to attain optimal product-pricing-market fit and achieve success   "Choosing the appropriate price metric seems to be probably one of these game-changing moments for your businesses." - Alessandro Monti   Topics Covered: 01:32 - What brought him to pricing and what made him choose SKP 02:43 - Why he believes in supply and demand 06:01 - Delving into the concept of "growth at any cost" and shifting our focus away from it 08:31 - Defining digital industry and turning away from this 'growth at any cost' mentality 09:36 - Redefining growth 12:25 - Challenging the tools and techniques to get to this ultimate growth 14:49 - Deciding between freemium and free trial [and starting monetization-led growth early on in the business] 20:25 - Extracting value to monetize a product and what is true business success 23:03 - Alessandro's best pricing advice that impacts anyone's business 24:05 - Finding the best pricing metric to use   Key Takeaways: "Let's redefine growth in the sense of let's make profitable business." - Alessandro Monti "We don't need the free, just for the sake of having free because there is value in having free users. But besides that, I think you need to seek the conversion and the monetization as early as possible." - Alessandro Monti "It's growth understood as profitability using all of our modern monetization techniques and there's room for alternative content." - Alessandro Monti   People / Resources Mentioned: Taylor Swift: https://www.taylorswift.com/   Connect with Alessandro Monti: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/profmonti/   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: Simplify Your Pricing

Blogcast: Simplify Your Pricing

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on April 27, 2023, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/simplify-your-pricing/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

2 Jun 20233min

Pricing Table Topics: 5 of Clubs – Gain Higher ASPs and Margins

Pricing Table Topics: 5 of Clubs – Gain Higher ASPs and Margins

This one is the 5 of Clubs from the Selling Value card deck. Most salespeople are paid on commission, and typically that commission is a percentage of the revenue. So, 2% of the revenue, 5% of the revenue, somewhere in that ballpark. The problem is, that incremental revenue, if I want to grow my revenue by 1%, the salesperson is only going to get 2%, or their commission rate, of the 1%. And it's a really, really tiny number. However, for the company, that 1% could be a really big number especially if your overall margins are relatively small, because that incremental 1% of revenue is a hundred percent profit. But we don't incentivize our salespeople to get that next 1% very much. Ideally, what we would do is, we would create a sales incentive structure so that covering costs, maybe they don't make anything, but anything from cost to list price, the amount of commission, the amount of incentive payment they get goes up for the higher the price they get.  I, typically, like to have a target price. I also have a list price and a floor price. And I'll set three different commission rates. Anybody who can sell at list gets a really high commission rate. Anybody who sells at Target or above gets a mid-level commission rate. Anybody who sells above the floor and below the target, it's a really low commission rate.  But the key is, we want to give our salespeople incentives to negotiate for that last 1%. We hope you enjoyed this example of Pricing Table Topics. What you just heard was done without a script. If you want to get better at speaking about pricing and value, grab a deck of our cards, pick a card, read the saying, and talk for one to two minutes about what that card says. You'll become a better speaker and expert. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me, mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Mastering the Art of Negotiation with Andrew Bailey

Andrew Bailey is a Value Pricing and Price Negotiation Specialist. He is the founder of Commercial Strategy 4. He helps you unleash your pricing power to sell more, more often, and at a higher price to achieve the profits you deserve. In this episode, Andrew shares his strategy for value-based pricing negotiations to help you achieve the highest possible pricing for your product or service.   Why you have to check out today's podcast: Explore how you can present alternative options during negotiations by combining price and value selling strategies Discover one great technique for setting the stage and preparing the buyer's mindset for a pricing value conversation Uncover a more effective approach to pricing instead of simply relying on discounts   "Improve your prices and just get really good at customer conversations." - Andrew Bailey   Topics Covered: 01:14 - How he started in pricing 03:40 - Important consideration for negotiation 04:58 - Defining value for clients and questions to ask to understand the value you're delivering 09:21 - Dealing with procurement people versus the pricing committee as you go through value discovery process 12:32 - Key insights on opposing viewpoints between procurement and committee 14:28 - Practicing real-life price negotiations 16:36 - Pricing and value negotiation strategy that people rarely do but should be considered 24:08 - The biggest mistake in pricing negotiations and what should be done instead 27:53 - Andrew's best pricing advice to impact one's business   Key Takeaways: "Ultimately, your ability to achieve the results that you want in pricing and negotiating is focused around your negotiating strength." - Andrew Bailey "What I talk to people about is understanding what's really important to customers, what matters to them." - Andrew Bailey "Don't try to make a whole long list of things that you can do for your clients and customers. It's probably two or three things that's really important to them. Just focus on that. That's a great place to get to." - Andrew Bailey "We can give some discount and then we agree to it without really thinking about, could we do this differently? Is there a better way, is there more value here than simply that price and that quantity?" - Andrew Bailey   Connect with Andrew Bailey: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pricingmentor/?originalSubdomain=uk Email: andrew@pricewithoutfear.com   Connect with Mark Stiving:   Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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