AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

Emanuel Martonca, founder of Soft Fight, reveals how agentic AI is solving one of the biggest challenges in IT services: coordinating pricing decisions across hundreds of people in decentralized organizations.

After his career journey from product management to sales management to discovering pricing at a Simon Kucher workshop, Emanuel shares how his bootstrapped company evolved from traditional consulting to building AI-powered pricing agents that act as an ever-present pricing manager- coaching teams, improving proposals, and recommending pricing models without sending a single byte of data outside the client's infrastructure.

In this episode, learn why AI should augment rather than replace pricing teams, why deterministic calculations still matter, and how to quantify value in IT services without universal quality standards.

Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast:

  • Discover how AI solves coordination problems in large IT services companies where hundreds of people make pricing decisions without pricing expertise.
  • Learn why AI should augment pricing teams, not replace them, and why deterministic calculations still matter more than probabilistic AI outputs.
  • Understand how to quantify value in IT services using measurable quality attributes instead of universally accepted standards.

"Pricing is leverage. It allows you to have an impact with very few actions, with little effort."

– Emanuel Martonca

Topics Covered:

01:32 -Emanuel's transformational discovery of pricing at a Belgian retail bank workshop that revealed a world he didn't know existed—launching 18 years of pricing-focused work.

02:37 - Why pricing is the ultimate leverage tool, especially in B2B tech where "it's just communication"—what you write in Excel, on websites, and in proposals.

03:28 - How the pandemic transformed Emanuel from a globe-trotting sales manager into a pricing consultant, then bootstrapped Soft Fight to solve the value extraction gap in tech companies.

04:41 - How large IT companies lose money when hundreds of non-experts across five functions (finance, marketing, sales, delivery, executives) make pricing decisions on every custom project.

06:59 - The evolution from deterministic SaaS pricing rules to AI-augmented agents installed in client infrastructure—solving pricing problems in hours instead of years without sending data externally.

08:00 - Why new deals lack technical depth and renewals lack value articulation—and how AI coordinates knowledge without restructuring organizations.

11:00 - Eight AI agents (four for understanding, four for justifying) with access to all systems but zero external communication—no security or privacy risks.

13:00 - All pricing calculations remain deterministic because AI makes too many mistakes—it's used only for reading RFPs, emails, and meeting notes to improve value communication.

14:17 - How AI acts as a coach recommending pricing models with ready-made arguments, eliminating months of change management—with email as the main interface.

16:17 - Why determining "how long will this take?" is unpredictable and varies by person and timing—and how AI solves the costliest unknown in custom projects.

18:00 - Mark's perspective on why costs matter less than value, and why companies avoid alternative pricing models despite knowing hourly billing hurts both sides.

21:00 - When AI tools cut development time, hourly pricing becomes self-defeating: "You're cutting your own revenue"—forcing the industry to finally sell value, not time.

21:56 - Starting with measurable quality attributes on invented scales that competitors can't compare—getting 80% of the way just by having the quantification discussion.

23:00 - Mark's framework for B2B value and why results translate to economic impact through customer KPIs like reduced complaints, not abstract "quality" metrics.

25:00 - Unlike automotive suppliers with nanometer specs, IT services vendors can define their own quality metrics—putting them two steps ahead of alternatives.

26:00 - The necessity of industry knowledge for value conversations (increase revenue, reduce costs, mitigate risk) and how AI enables understanding of new sectors that would've taken years.

27:30 - Final Advice: AI as Your Pricing Force Multiplier Using AI for research, analysis, and domain understanding when teams are too small or mandates unclear—plus how to connect with Emanuel on LinkedIn.

Key Takeaways:

"AI is a huge multiplier for pricing experts—not for calculating prices, I agree with you on that, it's not there yet. But for everything else around pricing, whether we want to call it product management, analysis, or research, it can help us overcome typical challenges." - Emanuel Martonca

"Pricing is a change management problem. It can be done, it'll take months, sometimes years, and they have to experiment and they have to make mistakes." - Emanuel Martonca

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Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Clubs – What Value Conversation Demonstrates

Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Clubs – What Value Conversation Demonstrates

This one is the 10 of Clubs from the Selling Value card deck. Yes, a value conversation is a great way to build a relationship with your customers, with your buyers. Face it, your buyer probably hasn't put together a business case for what it is they're trying to buy. And yet, it makes a lot of sense for them to have one. It gives them more confidence, they're making the right decision. It gives them the ability to sell up in the organization in case they have to convince someone else to give them the resources. It provides the justification inside the company that they're doing a good thing for the company. And so, they really want to create a business case. But they probably haven't done it because they didn't think about it. They don't really know how. If you can help your buyer write that business case, and that's exactly what selling value means, then you are truly helping the buyer. You're adding a lot of value to that buyer's decision process, to their career, to their prestige inside the organization. Having a value conversation not only helps you understand how much value there is in that situation, but it helps you build the stronger relationship with your buyers. So, have value conversations. They truly demonstrate that you care about your buyer. We hope you enjoy this example of Pricing Table Topics. If you want to get better at speaking, especially about pricing and value, grab a deck of our cards. Pull a random card and read the saying. Then talk for one to two minutes about what that card says. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me, mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

11 Jan 20232min

Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices with Mark Peacock

Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices with Mark Peacock

Mark Peacock has been a pricing consultant since 2017. Currently, he is the managing director of Price Maker, a company that helps their businesses differentiate themselves from the competition by means of having a smarter pricing. He is also about to release his new book titled "Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices" In this episode, Mark talks about what's written in his newest book, "Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices". He shares the fundamental ideas behind the seven steps and gives insightful sample situations in which the seven steps can be applied. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Get a general idea of what's in Mark's new book, Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices Learn why it's okay to have multiple pricing models on a single product Find out why it is the best time for you to raise your prices "Take the time to do your pricing strategy properly, and put your prices up because it is the most powerful lever you can use to increase profitable growth." – Mark Peacock Topics Covered: 01:27 – How Mark got into pricing 02:35 – The reason why Mark wrote his book, "Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices" 03:42 – Step 1: Where do you want to go? 06:43 – Step 2: Know what your customers think about you 08:02 – Step 3: Being aware of your competition 11:02 – Step 4: Product 13:13 – Step 5: Pricing 15:45 – Mark Peacock's thoughts on having more than one pricing model for a product 17:17 – Step 6: Proposition 19:21 – Mark Peacock's favorite behavioral economics example 22:47 – Step 7: Profit 24:53 – How Mark would address the issue of credit grabbing among departments in cases of sales improvement 28:59 – Mark's pricing advice 30:09 – Connect with Mark Peacock Key Takeaways: "Pricing, ultimately, is always a subset of business strategy, of your company goals. So, you've got to be clear. You got to know where you want to get to. Otherwise, you'll end up floundering with your pricing." – Mark Peacock "Product and price are two sides of the same coin. When I buy products for a price, I want to know what I get as a customer and equally as a seller, you need to know everything that's included in your product offering." – Mark Peacock "Without changing the pricing, you can achieve an effective increase in prices of 4% by changing how you present the prices. And I think this whole question of how we present pricing is just as important as 'What's the number? What's the strategy?' Because it makes such a difference." – Mark Peacock "Having a clearly written pricing policy is such an important thing. And I literally say in my book, 'Write it down'. And it doesn't have to be long, it doesn't have to be complicated." – Mark Peacock People / Resources Mentioned: Pricing for Success: The Seven-Step Plan for Winning More Customers at Better Prices – https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/pricing-for-success-mark-peacock/1142840523 Selling Value: How to Win More Deals at Higher Prices – https://www.amazon.com/Selling-Value-Deals-Higher-Prices/dp/1737655217 Connect with Mark Peacock: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-peacock-the-pricing-coach/ Email: mark@pricemaker.co.uk Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mailto:mark@impactpricing.com

9 Jan 202332min

Blogcast: Thoughts on Black Friday Pricing

Blogcast: Thoughts on Black Friday Pricing

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on November 30, 2022, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/thoughts-on-black-friday-pricing/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

6 Jan 20233min

Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Hearts – You and Your Buyer Must Work Together

Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Hearts – You and Your Buyer Must Work Together

This is the 10 of Hearts from the Selling Value card deck. You and your buyer have to work together if you truly want to know how much value is there. Face it, you know a lot about your product, but you don't really know the buyer's situation. You don't know how much revenue they make. You don't know how much money they're losing because they're solving, or haven't solved a specific problem. You don't know how bad that problem is. In order for you to figure out how much value they're going to get, you need a lot of information from that buyer. On the other hand, the buyer has no idea how much value they're going to get either because they've probably never bought something like your product before. They've not worked with many different customers and seen the different applications and the different problems, and they probably haven't thought through all of the sub-problems that you can solve. And so, if together we work trying to figure out what is the true value of our product, then we feel better because we now understand we're helping them make a really good decision. They feel better because they're trying to decide, is this a place where I want to spend my resources or should I spend them someplace else? Or maybe the person you're talking to has to create a business case to be able to sell it higher in the organization. In all of these cases, it makes so much sense for both of us to understand the value of solving their problems, and that only happens when we work together. We hope you enjoyed this example of pricing table topics. If you want to get better at speaking, especially about pricing and value, grab a deck of our cards, pull a random card, read the saying, and then talk for one to two minutes about what that card says. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me, mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

4 Jan 20232min

Price Optimization in SaaS with Nikhil Kotcharlakota

Price Optimization in SaaS with Nikhil Kotcharlakota

Nikhil Kotcharlakota is a civil engineer by profession. He worked for Electrolux for eight years where he was head of pricing for almost two years. Currently, he is a co-founder of PriceOps, a company that aims to provide an all-in-one pricing solution for SaaS companies. In this episode, Nikhil talks about how his experience at Electrolux changed the way he looked at pricing. He also discusses about his company, PriceOps, and how they aim to provide a complete, optimized pricing solution to SaaS companies using different pricing models. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Learn how usage data can be utilized to optimize billing and pricing Discover the possibility of SaaS companies effectively using outcome-based pricing models Learn the difference between per-user model and per active user model and when to use them "Having the focus on price and getting value out of what you're offering is a very important thing." – Nikhil Kotcharlakota Topics Covered: 01:30 – How Nikhil got into pricing 03:01 – The work that Nikhil's company, PriceOps does 05:59 – How PriceOps plans to utilize usage data for billing and pricing 07:05 – PriceOps' biggest challenge: using outcome-based pricing model for SaaS companies 11:19 – The other pricing models that PriceOps is eyeing besides usage-based and outcome-based 12:24 – How PriceOps aims to recommend whether to use per-user model or per active user model 15:12 – What Nikhil learned as he shifted from traditional pricing to subscription-based pricing 18:38 – Why Nikhil loves pricing operations 20:17 – Without execution, pricing strategy does not matter 20:50 – Nikhil's pricing advice 22:02 – The revenue point at which businesses should hire a pricing person 23:54 – Connect with Nikhil Kotcharlakota Key Takeaways: "The best part about pricing is it's always at the center of the strategy or you'll get to work with a lot of teams; product management, sales, accounting, finance, I mean, literally every team in the company." – Nikhil Kotcharlakota "Companies have realized the consumer is king. So, they're trying to build an experience for the consumer so they continue to buy the same product over and over again." – Nikhil Kotcharlakota "If the operations are not set up properly or if there are no processes for the pricing team, a strategy might be there, but they may not be able to execute on the strategy, which will then result in loss in price or price leakage." – Nikhil Kotcharlakota People / Resources Mentioned: PriceOps: https://www.linkedin.com/company/priceops/ Win, Keep, Grow: How to Price and Package to Accelerate Your Subscription Business: https://www.amazon.com/Win-Keep-Grow-Accelerate-Subscription/dp/1631954784 Connect with Nikhil Kotcharlakota: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkotcharlakota/ Email: nikhil@priceops.net Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mailto:mark@impactpricing.com

2 Jan 202325min

Blogcast: Pricing Skills for Subscription

Blogcast: Pricing Skills for Subscription

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on November 23, 2022, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/pricing-skills-for-subscriptions/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

30 Des 20223min

Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Spades - Never Mention Competition

Pricing Table Topics: 10 of Spades - Never Mention Competition

This is the 10 of Spades from the Selling Value card deck. Yes, we never want to mention competitors until our buyers bring them up because our buyers are on a trust journey, or at least we want to assume that they are. A trust journey is where they've come to you to ask you for help figuring out, is this really a place I should be spending my resource? Is this worth the inherent value that I'm going to get when I solve the problems that I have? And what's really important when our buyers are on this trust journey is they're not saying, how are you different from your competition? They're saying, how is it that you helped solve my problem? What we want to talk to them about during this trust journey phase is, hey, what problem are you trying to solve? What's the value of solving that problem? In essence, we're helping them build a business case for why they want to make a decision like this. And we never mention competition because it's possible they don't know that our competitors exist. It's possible that in the act of helping them build that business case, they learn to trust us so much they just want to buy from us. They're not price-sensitive at that point in time. So, the rule really needs to be, we only talk about inherent value or the value of solving the problem until a buyer tells us they're looking at competitive alternatives. We hope you enjoyed this example of Pricing Table Topics. If you want to get better at speaking, especially about pricing and value, grab a deck of our cards, pull out a random card, read the saying, and then talk for one to two minutes about what that card says. If you have any questions or feedback, please email me, mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

28 Des 20222min

How to Approach Increasing Your Prices Caused by Inflation with Steven Forth

How to Approach Increasing Your Prices Caused by Inflation with Steven Forth

Steven Forth is a Partner in Ibbaka, a strategic pricing advisory firm. He was CEO of LeveragePoint Innovations Inc., a SaaS business designed to help companies create and capture value. Steven is what I consider one of the great pricing thinkers in our industry. In this episode, Steven shares Ibbaka's approach on raising prices, especially during inflation, as he discusses what's expected to happen in the pricing world next year, given all the events that's been around this 2022. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Find out why you should first segment your customers and treat them differently before you raise your prices; Learn how to approach a price increase, especially during inflation; and Discover what's possible to happen in the pricing world in 2023, especially with concerns of inflation and recession around "Learn how to build value models, and connect them to prices." – Steven Forth Topics Covered: 01:18 – Steven's perspective on whether people should be thinking about raising prices now, along with questions to ask before you do so 04:59 – What Mark teaches his clients vs. Ibbaka's approach in raising prices 09:31 – Discussion around an inaccurate representation of inflation, especially in SaaS 12:40 – "Pricing is a game that plays out over time, and you always want to make sure you're thinking three to five moves ahead. If you don't, you're going to hurt yourself." 16:16 – Taking a look at (1) the people you sell to, (2) how recession affects prices, and (3) the finance industry 20:53 – What's happening right now? What is going to be different in 2023? 26:43 – Steven's pricing advice Key Takeaways: "There may be opportunities to raise prices, but it needs to be surgical, not broad brush. And before one raises prices, one has to ask a series of questions, beginning with what is inflation doing to my customers? And is inflation making my offer more valuable to my customers? Because if it is, then you have a great reason to raise prices. But if my customers are getting in trouble and are becoming more cost conscious because of inflation, then broad brush price increases can backfire." – Steven Forth "I think the first thing you do before you raise prices is segment your customers and treat them differently." – Steven Forth "Pricing is a game that plays out over time, and you always want to make sure you're thinking three to five moves ahead. And if you don't, you're going to hurt yourself." – Steven Forth "When we hear the word inflation, we're thinking mostly about the CPI. The CPI is not what is most relevant to business. And you have to look at how inflation is impacting your customers and even your customers' customers in order to make the right pricing." – Steven Forth "If you don't have a data model that you can apply A.I. to, you are going to lose." – Steven Forth People / Resources Mentioned: Ibbaka: https://www.ibbaka.com/ Connect with Steven Forth: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenforth/ Email: steven@ibbaka.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mailto:mark@impactpricing.com

26 Des 202229min

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