The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now
Mamamia Out Loud17 Okt 2025

The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now

Ever heard of 'Chatfishing’? Believe us, it's a thing, people, and may make you look at every message you receive in a whole new light. The trend is now to use ChatGPT for banter on dating apps and it’s leading to some awkward in-person dates.

The bus tour you did through Europe in your twenties has now been replaced with sunrise yoga and morning run clubs. We discuss why Gen Z is too sensible for that kind of wild fun with a bunch of strangers.

Do you treat your friends like family? And should you? There are pros and cons which we unpack.

Plus, the 'cunty bob' is out, and long hair is officially back in as we enter the Rapunzel age. But is long hair now a flex or an act of personal rebellion?

And all our best reccos including a must-listen podcast, a book Em wants you to read and a go-to 80’s beauty product that's back.

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Jessie thinks you should try the Matifying Primer by Laura Mercier OR the Glowy Primer by Go To
Holly wants you to listen to This is Why We Fight and The Gift
Em wants you to read Very Impressive for your Age by Eleanor Kirk

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Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem.
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

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15 Jul 202354min

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