IndoctriNation5 Nov 2025

The Complexity of Cult Recovery with Dr. Natalie Fabert

In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein talks with Dr. Natalie Fabert, an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University and a licensed psychologist specializing in trauma and abuse, particularly cultic abuse. Natalie announces her collaboration with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center on an online continuing education course designed for mental health clinicians to effectively support survivors of cult abuse and coercive control. Throughout the episode, Natalie discusses her journey into this area, the complexity of trauma recovery, and the importance of trauma-informed approaches in therapeutic settings. Rachel and Natalie highlight the need for specialized training for therapists and the significance of understanding and addressing the unique challenges faced by survivors.

Dr. Fabert’s Links

CE Course: https://lalichcenterce.thinkific.com/courses/lalichcenterCE

Lalich Center: https://www.lalichcenter.org/

Dr. Fabert’s Website: https://www.drfabert.com/

Dr. Fabert’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drfabert/

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