THE BEEFING: Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs
The Briefing11 Nov 2025

THE BEEFING: Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates built one of the fiercest rivalries in tech history - the battle between Apple and Microsoft. Their competition changed the modern world as we know it, giving us the Macintosh computer, the iPhone and revolutionised the personal computer.

However, the pair share a lot of similarities. They were both college dropouts, both started their companies with a friend and both went on to become billionaires who defined the tech world.

In this episode of The Beefing, Helen Smith unpacks how Jobs and Gates went from working together in the early days to feuding the decades-long debate over who really borrowed ideas from whom.

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Could climate change turn you into a criminal?

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Everything you need to know about the Gaza ceasefire deal

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How does a casino go broke? The Star saga explained

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15 Jan 202525min

What your TikTok will look like when all the Americans are gone

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15 Jan 202518min

An ex-PM reveals the truth behind our newest election campaign slogans

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14 Jan 202525min

Trump wants to buy Greenland and annex Canada. Can he?

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14 Jan 202515min

Is this $2.3 billion industry is scamming you at the checkout?

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