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Advertising legend Sir John Hegarty returns to the podcast to discuss why he created a course focused on the business of creativity. If you've listened to the podcast before you'll know how important I think creativity is to drive business results, and so when Sir John announced he was creating this course, I had to get him back on the podcast to discuss.Learn more about the course here.About Sir John HegartyHe was a founding partner of Saatchi and Saatchi in 1970. And then TBWA in 1973. He founded Bartle Bogle Hegarty in 1982 with John Bartle and Nigel Bogle. The agency now has 7 offices around the world. He has been given the D&AD President’s Award for outstanding achievement and in 2014 was admitted to the US AAF Hall of Fame.John was awarded a Knighthood by the Queen in 2007 and was the recipient of the first Lion of St Mark award at the Cannes Festival of Creativity in 2011. John has written 2 books, ‘Hegarty on Advertising - Turning Intelligence into Magic’ and ‘Hegarty on Creativity - there are no rules’.In 2014 John co-founded The Garage Soho, a seed stage Venture Capital fund that believes in building brands, not just businesses.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:37 - Why clients want to see ads05:52 - Sir John Hegarty’s top 5 ads06:47 - Ad 1: Audi - Villas07:41 - Ad 2: K Shoes - Creak08:41 - Ad 3: Levi’s - Launderette11:24 - Ad 4: Xbox - Champagne12:06 - Ad 5: Levi’s - Flat Eric17:16 - Has advertising got too serious?20:22 - The secret to pitching to a more rational audience23:58 - How to make the most of your agency relationship26:34 - Improving the brief29:45 - Have we lost the art of brand building?33:46 - The business of creativity39:39 - Collaborators on Sir John’s Course41:41 - The production of the course44:33 - The legacy of Sir John Hegarty47:26 - The format of the course48:15 - Why training is important50:29 - The case for creatives in leadership52:36 - How would Sir John Hegarty launch a new agency

13 Sep 202355min

Marketing waste is one of the biggest issues facing our industry. So when marketing legends Peter Field and Adam Morgan reached out to me to talk about their new work on the impact of dull advertising on brands, I immediately got them on the podcast.In this fascinating episode we discuss why you really can’t afford to bore your audience with your ads anymore. What have Adam and Peter learnt over 40 years about the actual cost of dull marketing to businesses, to brands and even to your career?And for those marketers really hellbent on safety, we discuss the role of danger and a new upcoming mastersclass in how to make the dullest ad ever.Linkshttps://thechallengerproject.com/lets-make-this-more-interestingwww.orlandonadvertising.comhttps://theexaminedlife.org/ - Stephen Groszhttps://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/b2b-instituteTimestamps00:00 - Intro01:13 - Who is Adam Morgan?02:38 - The best challenger brands03:08 - Has being a challenger changed?06:25 - The legacy of the long and short of it11:01 - Who had the higher ranked Uncensored CMO podcast?11:45 - How Adam and Peter met12:26 - The inspiration for the extraordinary cost of dull15:24 - How are there effective, yet dull campaigns (big budgets is the answer)19:13 - The System1 Data on the cost of dull22:41 - Why is advertising so dull?26:21 - Why are the best marketing organisations trending towards more dull?27:29 - Making demonstratably unskippable ads30:55 - The role of danger and constraints in getting to great work33:05 - The % of B2B ads that are dull and the work The LinkedIn Institute is going to reverse this35:06 - How dull is approached in different categories39:01 - Orlando Wood’s current research41:48 - How will AI affect dullness45:27 - Which categories are doing a good job of being interesting?53:57 - Why we need a masterclass for dull

6 Sep 202356min

How do you create a brand in a sub-category where only a handful of major brands operate a product line, from scratch, having never worked in the industry before? Well, Luke Boase did exactly that when he founded Lucky Saint, the worlds first alcohol free only brand. From finding a brewing partner to create an enjoyable alcohol free beer, raising money from investors to almost losing the business during COVID, this episode has it all.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro01:23 - Life before Lucky Saint for Luke06:02 - Coming up with the Lucky Saint idea08:28 - Creating a new category09:59 - Why do non-alcoholic only?11:36 - Convincing breweries to get on board13:56 - Finding the perfect brewing partner17:07 - The ones who rejected Lucky Saint18:33 - The advantages of being a category newcomer20:27 - When did Luke go all in on Lucky Saint20:55 - Raising money24:35 - Starting over with the brand29:18 - Creating a non alcoholic beer that actually tastes good31:08 - Being a single beer brand33:15 - Some of Lucky Saint’s investors35:29 - Ad execs on the investor team37:07 - Working with Rankin40:06 - Naming the brand Lucky Saint41:35 - How Covid almost wiped them out47:25 - Creating their own pub “The Lucky Saint”50:06 - Alcoholic vs non-alcoholic beverages51:46 - Convincing people to try alcohol free beer57:21 - The secrets to Lucky Saint’s success

30 Aug 20231h 3min

Long time returning guest Orlando Wood is back in the hot seat, talking all things advertising. We look back on his two IPA bestselling books, Lemon and Look Out, to discuss how the two sides of the brain attend to the world differently and how this impacts advertising both on TV and digital. We also discuss some of Orlando's favourite recent adverts and why he likes them.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro01:32 - Who is Orlando Wood02:50 - Orlando’s latest work03:54 - Is Orlando only talking about digital?05:18 - How to build brands through digital07:55 - How can advertisers achieve an effective message10:26 - "moto e azione"13:35 - Why Ian McGilchrist’s work was so profound for Orlando14:25 - Right-brain vs left-brain in advertising21:00 - Trends with left and right brained advertising22:24 - Is the change in advertising due to social media?24:13 - The impact of creativity on attention26:29 - How the choice of media can impact ESOV27:22 - Is humour making a comeback?31:32 - Fluent devices35:13 - Orlando’s favourite ads39:31 - Jon’s favourite recent ad43:31 - Orlando’s new course

24 Aug 202347min

Emily Kraftman is the Managing Director for UK & Europe for a brand who are disrupting a category no one else thought to, toilet paper. That brand is, of course, Who Gives A Crap. Their quirky nature, fun packaging and strong stance on sustainability are helping them make a dent in a big-brand dominated category. Emily has had quite the career, starting out working on Stella Artois, before leaving the corporate life to join a young Deliveroo to head up their "Rider Marketing" division. She's since made the switch from Marketing Director to Managing Director, learning to deal with all the challenges that come with the broader remit.Watch Who Gives A Crap new TV campaign "Uncrap the World'Timestamps:00:00 - Intro01:07 - Dealing with the challenges of a unique brand name03:26 - How Emily got into marketing05:27 - Emily’s time working on Stella Artois08:26 - How successful was Stella Artois’ innovation in cider?10:37 - From corporate brand to joining Deliveroo12:24 - Not fitting in after a career switch14:37 - Challenges of going from a safe work environment to a crazy one17:39 - The challenges of such fast growth19:40 - Brand positioning in a fast growing market21:35 - From Deliveroo to Who Gives a Crap24:13 - Who Gives a Crap Backstory27:17 - Why go into the toilet paper market30:24 - Power of purpose in marketing32:54 - From DTC to retail35:13 - Growing with small budgets37:20 - Why B2B can help when you have small budgets39:01 - Launching their first TV campaign42:22 - Transitioning from Marketing Director to Managing Director

9 Aug 202345min

The return of Uncensored CMO podcast legend Tom Goodwin. In this final flourishing episode recorded from Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity, in what has become our annual chinwag, we riff on everything from how advertising thinking can build big businesses to why marketeers invest in celebrities, despite the data not backing the value equation. What would our ideal Cannes festival look like? What would we do differently next year…. and where? And why we want to bring back the Tango Campaign!If you want more Tom, we'll be holding a LIVE Uncensored CMO at The Curzon Soho (not Scunthorpe) with the man himself, on 6th September 2023, discussing the 10 Biggest Myths in the Marketing Industry. Grab your tickets here -> https://system1group.com/uncensored-cmo-liveTimestamps:00:00 - Intro00:46 - What’s Tom been up to in the past year?04:30 - The state of Cannes06:10 - AI has it’s place07:22 - The power of re-using good creative15:26 - How AI can solve customer exeperience17:43 - Catergories that should be in Cannes19:43 - The Zero Budget Category21:11 - Cannes in Margate in February22:23 - Most fascinating relevations from the pod24:35 - The marketing bottom28:54 - The best work in Cannes31:10 - Working with budget constraints33:03 - When to invest in innovation34:16 - What Orlando Wood tells us about how art history can inform great communication strategy36:09 - Why are great adverts only made for the SuperBowl and Christmas…. And then not run for long enough?37:48 - Should you use characters or celebrities in your advertising?40:06 - Most impressive thing in Cannes45:06 - The Giant Cheeto at Cannes48:22 - Why we’ve stopped having fun in advertising54:00 - What will we be talking about at Cannes next year?Links:Winning Cheetos AdSuper Bowl insightsSystem1 analysis of the decline of humour

2 Aug 202358min

Nils Leonard is returning to the Uncensored CMO podcast after selling his agency, Uncommon to Havas. We discuss what's next, why he feels it's an investment not an acquisition, what AI means for creativity, culture and more.Timestamps00:00:00 - Intro00:01:11 - Selling Uncommon to Havas00:02:10 - What does partnering with Havas allow them to do?00:08:22 - How did the team react?00:09:50 - Expanding to the US00:12:22 - What’s changing?00:14:42 - Part 2: What’s new with Uncommon?00:16:33 - Keeping creativity alive00:19:20 - Is advertising dead?00:21:21 - Getting Chat GPT to write a new British Airways Strapline00:22:49 - Chat GPT writes an ad for British Airways00:24:46 - What car brand Nils would most like to work on00:27:01 - The work Uncommon actually did for British Airways00:28:52 - The importance of advertising internally00:29:59 - Making 512 different productions for BA00:32:13 - The power of simplicity00:34:26 - Making out of home powerful00:35:22 - What does AI mean for creativity?00:38:09 - Do CMOs understand the value of creativity?00:43:58 - Biggest problems we as an industry need to solve00:47:27 - Demonstrating the value of creativity00:50:57 - Creating culture in a growing agency00:55:11 - Power of generosity00:56:26 - Uncommon’s “faff tax”00:58:45 - The world’s #1 podcast by Jon Evans00:59:59 - 2 Uncommon stories01:02:51 - What what Nils do if he wasn’t running Uncommon?

27 Jul 20231h 8min

In this episode, I am talking to one of the titans of our industry, someone who I think has had a bigger impact on our industry than perhaps anybody else. He is Sir Martin Sorrell founder of WPP, the biggest holding company in the world.He has since gone on to set up S4 capital, so now finds himself in the challenger position rather than the dominant player. I wanted to talk to Sir Martin about what he sees as the biggest challenges facing our industry today and what are the disruptions coming down the line that are going to shape our industry in the future?What's his advice to CMOs? What does CMOs need to care about and what should they be doing? What skills they need to deal with the challenges coming at them in the world today. And because this is a special edition recorded live at the Cannes Lions Festival, I wanted to ask him about AI.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:11 - Background07:18 - How do you assess the state of creativity now?12:02 - what should CMO’s be concerned about?16:08 - How real a game changer is AI?18:34 - Do we lose creativity with AI?26:19 - What skills do marketing teams need to make the most of AI?29:01 - What will be the biggest disruption to our industry in the next 10 years?32:08 - What advice would Sir Martin give his younger self?39:35 - Ethical considerations about how advertising uses our personal data41:26 - Biggest decision Sir Martin regrets making43:01 - What was the secret to the growth of WPP?45:33 - Why start again after exiting WPP?46:21 - How close is Succession to the Murdochs?47:34 - Tell me something you’ve never told anyone48:50 - What would Sir Martin’s fantasy agency look like?

20 Jul 202353min