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Kirstjen Nielsen was forced out as secretary of homeland security, even after carrying out and defending President Trump’s hard-line immigration policies. We look at why that wasn’t enough. Guest: Caitlin Dickerson, who covers immigration for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.