Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More
Murder Sheet2 Dec 2025

Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More

Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon has corresponded with some of the most infamous killers in United States history.

That habit started long before he became a distinguished forensic psychologist, an expert on what makes killers tick.

In his new book, That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers, Jeff delves into his correspondence with infamous killers and figures like Charles Manson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and more.

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