94: Main & Mill Brewing Co.‘s Denny Foster & Brandon Bischoff: Building Compelling But Drinkable Imperial and Barrel-Aged Stouts

94: Main & Mill Brewing Co.‘s Denny Foster & Brandon Bischoff: Building Compelling But Drinkable Imperial and Barrel-Aged Stouts

The brewing duo behind Festus, Missouri’s local brewpub-turned-stout factory share their thoughts on adding adjuncts to stouts, blending batches, parti-gyle brewing, and more. When he launched the business in 2011, Main & Mill cofounder Denny Foster had no idea they’d be bottling barrel-aged stouts that would be shipped around the country by zealous traders. The goal at that point was a standard local brewpub with great beer and great food—a place for locals to enjoy some pints and each others’ company. But by the time they opened in 2014 (delayed by a painful three year renovation of a historic building), the market had already changed. Foster, and head brewer Brandon Bischoff embarked on a two-pronged strategy of lower ABV beers on tap for their local audience and bigger, bolder bottled beers for a metro Saint Louis audience that craved imperial stouts. Here, they discuss what they’ve learned over the past few years fo brewing big beers on a very small pub system—building base recipes for big stouts, adding adjunct ingredients by using a keg as brink for high-intensity infusions then dosing the blend back into the main tank to achieve the perfect balance, using small-scale blending and beer specifically brewed for characteristics like body to tweak other batches, making the most of a small brew system by using the parti-gyle process to get more beers out of each mash, the importance of naming and descriptions in selling beer, using natural extracts along with natural ingredients to heighten aroma in flavored beers, and the arms race around stout body that’s forcing brewers to rethink the balance of drinkability. “We’re still trying to find that happy medium,” says Foster, “where people in the industry don’t say it’s thin, but it’s still able to be drinkable where you can also enjoy it, share, and not feel like your eyes are blown back because it’s essentially just a few points away from Hershey’s syrup. We’re always trying to figure that out.” Note- at approximately the 23 minute mark, Foster intended to say that Ethiopian coffee was more prototypical “coffee” flavor, as opposed to the more fruity and acidic Guatemalan coffee. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): As the brewing industry’s premier choice for glycol chilling, G&D Chillers has set the standard on quality, service, reliability and dedication to their customer’s craft. For 25 years G&D has led the way with innovative solutions for the craft brewing industry. Contact G&D Chillers today at 800.555.0973 or reach out online at Gdchillers.com. Mention Craft Beer and Brewing podcast and you’ll receive up to $1000 worth of glycol with the purchase of any new G&D chiller unit. Tavour (https://about.tavour.com): Tavour is the tastiest way to explore the world from the comfort of your home. Select delicious craft beers on the Tavour app that you cannot find in your area and get them delivered right to your door. It's not a beer of the month club where you end up with lagers you have to give to your grandpa. Download the free Tavour app today and get $10 in beer money with code “brewing”. Ska Fabricating (https://skafabricating.com):Ska Fabricating is the craft industry’s leading choice for packaging line automation. Specializing in depalletizing, repalletizing, conveyance, rinsing, drying, fill detection and date coding, Ska Fab has over 600 installations in breweries, wineries, and distilleries worldwide. With a reliable team of engineers dedicated to fast, reliable customer service, you can count on us to provide systems custom tailored for your specific needs. Contact Ska Fab today at (970) 403-8562 or reach out online at skafabricating.com. Clarion Lubricants (https://www.clarionlubricants.com): Clarion Lubricants, balancing barley and hops is your expertise, food-grade lubricants is ours. The team at Clarion knows that when it comes to making great beer, you’re the expert, and when it comes to supplying food-grade lubricants backed by service-oriented professionals, they're the experts. Clarion will work with you to create an efficient lubrication program that helps protect your brewery. To speak with an expert dial 1-855-MY-CLARION (855-692-5274) or visit clarionlubricants.com. Clarion Lubricants. The expert that experts trust.

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52: Aslin Brewing Founders: Outspoken with a No-Holds-Barred Approach

52: Aslin Brewing Founders: Outspoken with a No-Holds-Barred Approach

Northern Virginia’s Aslin Brewing are brash and outspoken with a no-holds-barred approach that’s reflected in their progressive take on brewing. They’ve been tinkerers and experimenters from their earliest days brewing on a 2 bbl system, and this year they’re on track to brew over 5,000 barrels of beer on a small 8.5 bbl system, almost all of which is canned and sold from their dock because the brewery doesn’t currently have a taproom. In this conversation with Jamie Bogner, cofounders Kai Leszkowicz and Andrew Kelley discuss everything from their collaborative approach to competition (“As much as it’s sad, we look at Untappd every day”), to their processes using hops, adding adjuncts, rousing tanks, and even their pricing strategy with margins that support employees, allow them to grow with little debt, and prepare for a shakeout in the brewing industry, if it ever comes. “We say that we’re competitive, and it sounds intimidating, but at the same time it doesn’t mean that we’re not going to be friends. That we can’t work together. That we don’t have something to learn from you, or you from us. We’ve never said ‘no’ to anybody. We’re still good people and nice. We’re just ‘if this is the field of play, we’re in a game right now, we’re going to win.’ We would like to win. We’re out here to do our best and be the best at what we do. We’ve definitely not achieved that yet, and there are tons of critics that are willing to tell us [so], which is great, because we’re using that as jet fuel to continue our search.”

5 Okt 20181h 7min

51: Anderson Valley's Fal Allen: Lessons Learned from Brewing Goses

51: Anderson Valley's Fal Allen: Lessons Learned from Brewing Goses

From the best kinds of salts to use to how it can mess up some brewing equipment, there's no one better to talk about gose than Fal Allen. This week he talks about his new book that focuses on the style, what he's learned brewing them at Anderson Valley Brewing Co. and how gose almost disappeared. This episode brought to you by CraftBeer.com, home of the most powerful brewery locator in the universe. Whether you’re traveling in a new city or planning your next beer-cation—head to CraftBeer.com and explore the wide world of American craft beer. Want to support small and independent breweries? Look for the independent craft brewer seal when you search.

28 Sep 201855min

50: Pinthouse Pizza's Joe Mohrfeld: Selecting and Using Hops In Your Brewing

50: Pinthouse Pizza's Joe Mohrfeld: Selecting and Using Hops In Your Brewing

Pinthouse Pizza Director of Brewing Joe Mohrfeld joins Jamie for a hop-centric conversation that touches on everything from hop trends in the 2018 crop year, hot and cold-side hopping methods, their small-scale approach to production brewery-style blending, building relationships with hops growers, using cryo-hops to achieve different flavors, yeast harvesting despite dry-hopping during active fermentation, learning from peer brewers, and more. Beer is agriculture. Listen in.

21 Sep 201859min

49: Stone's Greg Koch: The Challenge of Keeping the Art in Brewing as the Business Grows

49: Stone's Greg Koch: The Challenge of Keeping the Art in Brewing as the Business Grows

Greg Koch, Executive Chairman and co-founder of Stone Brewing, joins Jamie Bogner for a conversation about their challenge in launching a brewery in a difficult market, their experience launching a distribution business to connect their beer with retailers, the importance of lean business practices in helping brewing businesses weather the cyclical storms of the beer business, the challenge of keeping the art in brewing as the business grows, the impact of a death by a thousand cuts that cost-cutting corporate brewers face today, and the constant drive to iterate and improve even the most sacred of brewery cows—mainline core brands.

14 Sep 20181h 1min

48: Equilibrium's Ricardo Petroni and Peter Oates: Using Mathematics to Get the Most out of Hopping

48: Equilibrium's Ricardo Petroni and Peter Oates: Using Mathematics to Get the Most out of Hopping

Equilibrium Brewing's co-owners Ricardo Petroni and Peter Oates talk about using mathematics to get the most out of hopping, the benefits and worries of "Line Life" and what they've learned from homebrewing and measured growth to help strengthen their business today. This episode is brought to you by American Homebrewers Association (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org).

7 Sep 201848min

47: Kane Brewing's Michael Kane: Adventures in Barrel-Aging

47: Kane Brewing's Michael Kane: Adventures in Barrel-Aging

When you put quality first in your beer, your employees will follow suit with all the other aspects of the business, says Michael Kane, founder and brewer at Kane Brewing Co. In this week's podcast he talks about a brewers love for lager, why attending festivals around the country helps his New Jersey-only distribution brewery, and adventures in barrel-aging.

31 Aug 201850min

46: Bolero Snort's Bob Olson: The Struggles and Joy of Small Brewery Ownership

46: Bolero Snort's Bob Olson: The Struggles and Joy of Small Brewery Ownership

Bull puns, flavored IPA, and the challenges of contract brewing at three separate locations are just a few of the ways Bob Olson of Bolero Snort Brewery spends his day. From talking about when the moment was right to go pro and then eventually break ground on his own brewery, to using odd ingredients to achieve dessert flavors in his beers, Olson shares the struggles and joy of small brewery ownership. Subscribe to Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine at https://beerandbrewing.com/subscription

24 Aug 201847min

45: Fifth Hammer's Chris Cuzme: Keeping the Homebrewing Spirit Alive

45: Fifth Hammer's Chris Cuzme: Keeping the Homebrewing Spirit Alive

Keeping the homebrewing spirit and inspiration alive and top of mind is paramount for Chris Cuzme of Fifth Hammer in New York. This week he discusses brewing seasonally and with special ingredients, how music can impact beer, and the benefits and limitations of brewing in a major city.

17 Aug 201853min

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