RR006: How leaders must adapt now to successfully scale AI, with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, AWS

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.

In a world defined by constant change, leaders must evolve from rigid hierarchies to emotionally intelligent, empowering leadership. By fostering adaptability, continuous learning, distributed leadership, and a culture of curiosity, organisations become better equipped to navigate technological disruptions, such as AI, with resilience and innovation.

This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, Executives in Residence at AWS to explore what it really takes for organisations to thrive in a world of continuous transformation, and why rigid hierarchies, control, and over-designed change programmes so often get in the way.

TLDR

00:42 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme
01:26 – Team dig-in: A new cycle of change is on it's way
19:27 – In‑depth conversation with Jana and Phil
57:37 – Octopus playlist and case study highlights

Guest

Jana Werner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janawerner1/
Phil Le-Brun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillebrun/
https://www.theoctopusorganization.com/ A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation

Hosts

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

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