Episode 9 - A conversation with Jon Anders Lied

Episode 9 - A conversation with Jon Anders Lied

On today's episode, we welcome our first guest, Norwegian psychologist Jon Anders Lied, author of An Introduction to Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy (2025). The conversation is a shared walk through the woods of ISTDP learning. We highlight complex intergenerational dynamics in the teaching of Davanloo's ideas, and the resulting polyphony of the field-- how "what ISTDP is" is something different to everyone, and the importance of avowing that. We also hear Jon Anders' thoughts about our recent discussion of the German Architect. Throughout the episode is a clear thread of empathy and concern for the experiences of trainees, and a wish to support them in learning theory, technique, and the complex practice of being with the patient even when theory and technique fall short.

Jon Anders Lied is a Norwegian clinical psychologist and ISTDP therapist, working in clinical practice, teaching, and supervision. You can check out his book here:

Lied, A. (2025). An Introduction to Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: Foundations of Clinical Practice. Routledge.


Also mentioned: The International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association's biennial international conference to be held in Dubrovnik, Croatia, 7-9 Oct, 2026.

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Episode 18 - The Case of the German Architect, part 9

Episode 18 - The Case of the German Architect, part 9

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Episode 17 - The Case of the German Architect, part 8

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Episode 16 - The Case of the German Architect, part 7

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Episode 14 - The German Architect, So What?

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Episode 13 - The German Architect, part 6

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Episode 12 - The Case of the German Architect, part 5

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