The Church Isn’t Perfect, But Jesus Still Is // Natalie Runion

In this heartfelt episode, we sit down with Natalie Runion, author, pastor, and founder of Raised to Stay, to talk about the real and often painful journey of healing from church hurt while staying rooted in Jesus. Together, we unpack what it means to deconstruct without destroying, to discern when it’s time to leave a toxic system, and to rebuild faith and community with integrity. We explore how leaders can slow down, lead with humility, and create safe spaces where grace and truth can coexist. Whether you’re a pastor, a church member, or someone who’s walked away for a season, this conversation offers hope, honesty, and a way forward.

Key Takeaways

1. Abiding over performing: Staying isn’t about remaining in a specific church—it’s about remaining in Christ, even through disillusionment.
2. Healthy leaders go slow: True character is formed through time, mentorship, and accountability—not through platform or performance.
3. Deconstruction can lead to rebuilding: When guided by the Spirit, untangling from religious culture can bring us closer to the heart of Jesus.
4. Recognize toxicity vs. humanity: It’s wise—and sometimes holy—to walk away from spiritually abusive or narcissistic leadership.
5. Churches need trauma-informed care: Pastors can’t carry every burden; partnering with trained counselors helps the whole Body heal.
6. Pastors’ kids need freedom and identity: Ministry starts at home; children aren’t sidekicks, they’re uniquely called by God too.
7. God is patient with our process: Healing from church hurt takes time, and Jesus remains faithful through every season.

Website: natalierunion.com

Instagram: @raisedtostay

Book: Raised to Stay

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