SHRINK CHAT: Ted Bundy's Trial, Carole Ann Boone & Cursed Films

Ted Bundy was offered a deal that would have taken the electric chair off the table. He turned it down at the last moment, because accepting meant standing up in front of the world and saying he was guilty. Part seven of the Ted Bundy reboot is the trial, and the vanity that decided it.

CONTENT WARNING: murder, sexual violence, bite mark evidence, the murder of a twelve-year-old girl, and capital punishment.

CHAPTERS

00:25 Ridley Scott is producing Ragnar Jonasson's Outside

02:50 What makes a slasher villain stick, and why most of them do not

06:07 Freddy Krueger's origin story, and congruence across a franchise

07:55 The Parkland juror who talked her way off the panel

12:43 Horror Facts with Cathy

14:17 The reboot resumes: the trial

16:24 The three sections, and the two interviewers

19:47 Florida, June 1979, and a televised trial he played to

20:30 The plea deal, the plan behind it, and why he blew it up

22:27 The bite mark, and the odontologist who matched it

23:06 Psychopath or sociopath, and why the distinction matters here

24:38 Seven hours to convict

27:25 Orlando, Kimberly Leach, and an eyewitness

29:19 Carole Ann Boone, and a marriage declared in open court

30:16 Three death sentences and Old Sparky

35:37 Everything Everywhere All at Once

39:16 Cursed Films season two, and the Wizard of Oz

44:27 Finch

48:31 Master

51:55 Horror Facts answers

THE EPISODE

The trial is where Bundy stopped being able to hide, and Cathy and Shannon are more interested in the vanity than the verdict. He fired five court appointed attorneys. He represented himself. He wore a Houston Astros shirt under a blazer and smiled at the cameras. And he was handed a plea deal that would have spared his life, which he had already worked out how to exploit, planning to let the evidence rot and the witnesses scatter before moving to set the pleas aside.

He rejected it in the room, because taking it meant admitting the court was right. His own public defender said it plainly: he would have had to stand up in front of the whole world and say he was guilty, and he could not do it.

Shannon and Cathy use that moment for the clearest distinction they have drawn in this series. A psychopath does not need to be liked as long as he gets away with it. A sociopath needs the reputation, and that need is what put Bundy in the chair.

CORRECTIONS

The third case in the plea offer was Kimberly Leach, not a woman attacked in an apartment. The woman attacked in her apartment after Chi Omega was Cheryl Thomas, and she survived. Bundy was arrested in February 1978; the Chi Omega trial opened in June 1979. The Leach death sentence was handed down on February 12 1980. And Bundy was not among the last to die in Old Sparky, which Florida continued to use into 1999.

LOOKING FOR THE REST OF THE SERIESAll eight parts are on the feed. Search Terror Talk plus SHRINK CHAT for: No Man of God; Midsommar and Hereditary; the Hillside Strangler; Ann Rule; Janice Ott and Denise Naslund; Kimberly Leach; Carole Ann Boone; and Georgann Hawkins.

SOURCES

Ann Rule, The Stranger Beside Me. Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth, The Only Living Witness. Florida v. Bundy trial record, 1979. Dr. Richard Souviron's bite mark testimony.

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