The Daily Presents “Caliphate,” Chapter 2

The New York Times has introduced a documentary audio series that follows Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism for The Times, on her quest to understand ISIS. Today, as a special episode of “The Daily,” we offer Chapter 2 of “Caliphate,” in which Rukmini speaks with a former ISIS member about how and why he joined the fold. For more information about the series, visit nytimes.com/caliphate.

This episode includes disturbing language and scenes of graphic violence.

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