BITESIZE: Dr. Deanna Kelly on Clozapine and Ketogenic Therapy

Can ketogenic therapy help offset some of the metabolic side effects of clozapine while preserving its psychiatric benefits?

Dr. Deanna Kelly, a leading clozapine researcher, joins Dr. Bret Scher to discuss what she has seen clinically when ketogenic therapy is used alongside clozapine and other antipsychotic medications.

Dr. Kelly shares the case of a patient taking clozapine who also had diabetes and metabolic syndrome. After five weeks on a ketogenic diet, the patient’s glucose, insulin, and hemoglobin A1C returned to the normal range. She also explains why people taking antipsychotics such as clozapine or olanzapine may have a harder time reaching ketosis and why careful monitoring matters.

They discuss:

• Using ketogenic therapy alongside clozapine
• Metabolic side effects associated with antipsychotic treatment
• Why ketosis may be harder to achieve on clozapine or olanzapine
• Changes in clozapine blood levels that may occur with ketogenic therapy
• Why lower clozapine levels do not automatically mean the dose should be increased
• The possibility of gradually reducing antipsychotic doses once someone is stable
• Why Dr. Kelly views dose reduction through a harm-reduction lens
• The importance of expert clinical supervision when adjusting psychiatric medications

The research in this area is still limited, but Dr. Kelly believes there is real promise in exploring whether ketogenic therapy can help reduce metabolic burden and, in some cases, support lower antipsychotic doses without sacrificing psychiatric stability.

Medication safety is critical. Clozapine and other psychiatric medications should only be adjusted with experienced clinical supervision, especially when starting ketogenic therapy, because medication levels and effects can change as metabolism changes.

💡 Learn more about the importance of clinical support with psych meds and how ketogenic therapy may impact medication needs and dosage on our Keto and Psych Meds Topic Page: www.metabolicmind.org/resources/topics/keto-and-psych-meds/.

🔎 Have questions about how to apply metabolic therapies effectively? Submit them at metabolicmind.org/questions to be featured in a future Metabolic Mailbag episode.

#Clozapine #KetogenicTherapy #MetabolicPsychiatry

Expert Featured:

Dr. Deanna L. Kelly

• https://www.metabolicmind.org/team/deanna-kelly-pharmd-bcpp/
• https://x.com/ProfDeannaK
• https://www.instagram.com/dr.deanna.kelly/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanna-l-kelly-pharmd-bcpp-3a8b299b/?isSelfProfile=false

Free CME Clinician Trainings:

Are you a clinician who would like to learn more about the science behind these therapies and how to implement them in practice? Earn CME with our growing library of courses from some of the top experts in the field including Dr. Chris Palmer, Dr. Georgia Ede, Dr. Matthew Bernstein, Dr. Mariela Glandt, Dr. Deanna Kelly, Dr. Julie Milder, Dr. Zoltan Sarnyai, and Dr. Bret Scher with more coming soon.

Our courses have been made FREE by grants from Baszucki Group, so we can spread these powerful therapies as widely as possible. Earn CME/CNE credits:

https://www.metabolicmind.org/for-clinicians/trainings-courses/?utm_medium=organic-social&utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=cme-yt

Follow our channel for more information and education from Bret Scher, MD, FACC, including interviews with leading experts in Metabolic Psychiatry.

Learn more about metabolic psychiatry and find helpful resources at https://metabolicmind.org/

About us:

Metabolic Mind is a non-profit initiative of Baszucki Group working to transform the study and treatment of mental disorders by exploring the connection between metabolism and brain health. We leverage the science of metabolic psychiatry and personal stories to offer education, community, and hope to people struggling with mental health challenges and those who care for them.

Our channel is for informational purposes only. We are not providing individual or group medical or healthcare advice nor establishing a provider-patient relationship. Many of the interventions we discuss can have dramatic or potentially dangerous effects if done without proper supervision. Consult your healthcare provider before changing your lifestyle or medications.