Episode 610: MW4 DMZ Players Want a PvE Mode. They're Wrong

Modern Warfare 4 is fully out, and we're surprised by most of it. Multiplayer is getting hammered: the maps are bad, spawns are broken, SBMM is cranked up, and the movement got slowed down. Raz goes through each complaint, defends Call of Duty on a couple of them, and makes the case that arcade shooters are dying and we're aging out of them anyway. DMZ is the surprise. We said it would be dead by the time multiplayer came out, and people are still streaming it. We get into why: multiplayer is rough, the XP is good for camo grinding, and a lot of these players have never played an extraction shooter before. We still think DMZ runs out of content fast and won't last a month for most people. Then the big one: should MW4 DMZ get a PvE-only mode? Infinity Ward says no and that it believes in PvPvE. We agree, and we explain why a PvE DMZ would be finished in a week, why losing 100K when you die is the whole point, and why "just get better" is real advice. We also cover Tarkov PvE, Arc Raiders, extract camping, and what CoD does next year. 0:00 - Intro: audiobooks and The Terminal List 2:18 - We're live: Episode 610 4:01 - Patreon shoutouts and trivia night 6:55 - Modern Warfare 4 has launched 7:34 - Infinity Ward unlocks it early 8:30 - Multiplayer: worst CoD ever? 10:28 - We were wrong: everyone's streaming DMZ 11:46 - The complaints: maps 13:52 - Spawns are broken every year 15:26 - SBMM cranked to the max? 19:12 - Movement nerf and losing wall jumping 21:42 - People are finally over arcade shooters 24:09 - We're aging out of arcade shooters 28:56 - "Worst CoD ever" after 30 minutes 29:54 - What the critics are saying 30:54 - Are game critics a fake job? 32:55 - What changed: maps, hipfire, Kill Block 34:37 - Jake on spawns (and why learning them is cringe) 40:17 - DMZ is still doing well 42:38 - XP and camo grinding in DMZ 44:12 - The map's already charted 45:52 - Do you still play after Season 2? 47:06 - Why DMZ works when multiplayer doesn't 48:40 - DMZ is another campaign with PvP 51:49 - Can Warzone carry the year? Hajin vs. Avalon 54:41 - The viral DMZ PvE post 56:19 - Arc Raiders "Care Bears" 57:59 - Just get better at the game 1:01:22 - Arc Raiders PvE and Tarkov PvE 1:08:17 - Infinity Ward: no PvE-only DMZ 1:09:43 - Remember AI in Warzone 2? 1:10:57 - Paying 100K every time you die 1:14:12 - Is there SBMM in DMZ? 1:14:55 - The case for a PvE mode 1:17:27 - PvE would split the player base 1:18:00 - The middle ground options 1:20:12 - Extract camping 1:21:56 - Verdict: surprised, but it won't last 1:24:26 - What does CoD do next year? 1:25:15 - Bread Man's DMZ collection room 1:27:58 - Silver lining: new extraction shooter fans 1:29:50 - Outro _Note: timestamps may be slightly misaligned on podcast apps (but not on YouTube) due to dynamic ads._ The podcast is available wherever you listen to podcasts, and ad-free & early access versions - as well as bonus episodes - are available to all of our Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/thedropshot) supporters. We stream the podcast live on our YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/thedropshotpodcast) every Saturday morning at ~9 o'clock Pacific Time. We typically start the stream 30 minutes early to answer viewer questions, banter, and chat. Links for everything are below. Thanks for checking us out! 🔹Streaming schedule (Pacific time): 🔸Saturday ~9 AM: Gaming news and stories of the week 🔹The Dropshot: 🔸Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thedropshot 🔸Donate: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=YVR98VF4S945G 🔸Website: https://www.thedropshot.com 🔸Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheDropshotPod 🔸Discord: https://discord.gg/B4Nsarq 🔸YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/thedropshotpodcast 🔸Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedropshotpodcast/ 🔸TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedropshotpodcast 🔹Razinon: 🔸Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/razinon 🔸Twitter: https://twitter.com/razinon 🔸Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/razinonttv 🔹Jakedown: 🔸Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/jakedown_ 🔸YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jakedown #TheDropshot #GamingPodcast #PodcastClips #GamingTalk #MW4 #ModernWarfare4 #CallOfDuty #DMZ #Warzone #ExtractionShooter #EscapeFromTarkov #ArcRaiders #InfinityWard #MW4DMZ #DMZPvE #WorstCODEver #GamingNews #HotTake #GamingDebate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices