Leopold and Loeb: A Conversation with John Jay Professor Simon Baatz

This episode was originally published on The Murder Sheet's main feed on February 14, 2025.The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from France, Brazil, Florida, and New Jersey.Bureau of Justice Statistics on victim-offender relationships in 2021: https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021If you or someone you know is suffering from domestic violence, call 1.800.799.SAFE (7233) or text START to 88788.The Independent's report on the deaths of Andrew Searle and Dawn Kerr: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/andrew-searle-dawn-kerr-france-british-couple-b2696674.htmlThe BBC's report on the deaths of Andrew Searle and Dawn Kerr: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3lq3lkkn5oThe New York Times's report on Daniel Sikkema's arrest for the murder of his husband Brent Sikkema: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/arts/design/daniel-sikkema-murder-brent-sikkema.htmlUSA Today's report on the murders of Gregory Philip Malnory Jr. and Kimberly Ann Malnory by James Dennis Ford: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/02/11/james-dennis-ford-florida-execution/77983151007/In the case of the Malnory murders, we also relied on reporting from the News-Press and Bradenton Herald, both accessed through Newspapers.com. My Central Jersey's report on the case against David and Cindy Keogh in the murder of Terrence C. Coulanges: https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/courts/2025/02/11/charge-dismissed-against-bound-brook-couple-whose-son-is-guilty-of-murder/78376800007/Our link to the opinion in the New Jersey case: https://www.njcourts.gov/system/files/court-opinions/2025/a0773-23.pdfPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let’s talk about one of our favorite people who also happens to do one of our favorite podcasts. Obviously, I’m talking about Jayson Blair and his show, The Silver Linings Handbook!You probably recognize Jayson’s name because we’ve been on his show and he’s been on ours, to talk about true crime ethics and the media. He’s always got thoughtful insights to share. Plus, he’s got all kinds of ideas on how to make true crime a more respectful, compassionate space. We always want to hear more from him. Well, we’re in luck. And so are you! Jayson runs the Silver Linings Handbook, a terrific weekly podcast. It’s interview-centric. Each week, you get to hear Jayson’s in-depth conversations with inspiring people. We’re talking about conversations about well-being, mental health, the law and criminal justice system, true crime, religion, and marginalized communities. For all you true crime fans, he's had on the hosts of The Prosecutors andThe Consult as well as leaders in business, journalism, and law. Jayson is a wonderful person with a seemingly endless well of compassion and empathy for others. That serves him quite well as an interviewer. We were really gripped by his recent conversations with the daughter of a murdered police detective, the sister of a missing Native woman in Montana, and Gabby Petito’s father, Jim Schmidt. These were all humanistic and in-depth talks that got to the heart of topics like grief, advocacy, and abuse. We’ve always enjoyed our conversations with Jayson on the Silver Linings Handbook and behind the scenes. Getting to listen to his show is like dropping by for one of those talks. We think Murder Sheet listeners will really enjoy it. Subscribe to The Silver Linings Handbook wherever you listen to podcasts.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

14 Feb 41min

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him early in January about the investigation into the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

12 Feb 53min

First Sergeant Steve Buckley of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

11 Feb 1h 4min

Cheat Sheet: Presumptions and ProfessorsHere are the links to the cases we covered this episode:Hayden Manishttps://www.wthr.com/article/news/investigations/13-investigates/what-happened-to-hayden-manis-family-police-discovered-muncie-indiana-boy-missing-5-years-fear-he-is-dead/531-b40321e7-f08c-4202-ac81-0894a3b5281eSeorin Kimhttps://denvergazette.com/news/courts/nicholas-myklebust-professor-charged-murder-court/article_f96fe12a-5b4d-11ef-982b-8be5c9098dfa.htmlRobert Brookshttps://ag.ny.gov/osi/footage/robert-brooksRichard Snyderhttps://www.ksl.com/article/51245026/new-york-judge-resigns-after-saying-he-cant-be-on-a-jury-since-he-thinks-all-defendants-are-guiltyPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

7 Feb 54min

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland filed his response to Richard Allen's trial team's motion to correct error.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

5 Feb 1h 7min

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of Kegan Kline.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

4 Feb 51min

Here are the sources for this week's caseshttps://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/01/cleveland-police-used-ai-to-justify-a-search-warrant-it-has-derailed-a-murder-case.htmlhttps://www.scotusblog.com/2025/01/justices-decline-to-reinstate-ohio-mans-attempted-murder-conviction/https://openvallejo.org/2025/01/27/man-killed-in-vallejo-was-main-witness-in-upcoming-murder-trial/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/hawaii-killing-murder-chargePre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------As podcasters, we try to stay hydrated so we don’t sound like croaking toads on here. We don’t want to do that to you guys! Clean delicious water is the key. It helps when you know for sure that you’re drinking truly pure water. One thing that can be a bother is that extensive research by the Environmental Working Group finds that many homes in America can have harmful contaminants in its tap water. So a lot of people end up opting for bottled water or pitcher filters — but there’s an even easier way.AquaTru is a water purifying system that makes your life so much easier. Their purifiers rely on 4-stage reverse osmosis technology. You can install their countertop purifiers — no installation and you don’t need to call a plumber, either. They do also have higher capacity under sink options, a Wifi-connected purifier, and ones that give your water a boost of minerals! AquaTru removes fifteen times more contaminants than ordinary pitcher filters, targeting chemicals like PFAS, which is found in 45% of United States tap water.AquaTru blasts away forever chemicals, arsenic, chlorine, microplastics, and more. Plus these filters last a long time, and they’re affordable, especially with the special deal Murder Sheet listeners get. PFAS are linked to bad health outcomes, liver toxicity and endocrine system disruption. You can combat that without having to buy thousands of water bottles or change filters every two to three months. AquaTru filters last 6 months to two years.Tastier tea and coffee, healthier families and pets, more water drinking, the truth is you can’t go wrong with AquaTru!● AquaTru comes with a 30-day Money-Back Guarantee and even makes a great gift… ● Today our listeners receive 20% OFF any AquaTru purifier! Just go to AquaTru.com and enter code “MSHEET” “ at checkout. ● That’s 20% OFF any AquaTru water purifier when you go to AquaTru.com and use promo code MSHEETSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

31 Jan 43min

For many, now retired Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter became the public face of the Delphi murders investigation. He spoke with us about the case last week.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

28 Jan 45min