JSJ 397: Design Systems with Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent

JSJ 397: Design Systems with Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent

Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent is a self taught web developer from west France. He has worked for BBC, The Guardian, and The Financial Times in the UK. He has also worked in the US for SalesForce and currently works for Shopify on their Polaris design system. Shopify has multiple design systems, and Polaris is open source. Today the panel is talking about design systems and developer tooling around design systems. To begin, Kaelig explains what a design system is. A design system is all of the cultural practices around design and shipping a product. It includes things like the words, colors, spacing grid system, and typography, plus guidance on how to achieve that in code. The panelists discuss what has made design systems so popular. Design systems have been around for a while, but became popular due to the shift to components, which has been accelerated by the popularity of React. The term design system is also misused by a lot of people, for it is much more than having a Sketch file. Next, they talk about whether design systems fall under the jurisdiction of a frontend developer or web designers. Kaelig has found that a successful design system involves a little bit of everyone and shouldn’t be isolated to one team. They talk about what the developer workflow looks like in a design system. It begins with thinking of a few common rules, a language, and putting it into code. As you scale, design systems can become quite large and it’s impossible for one person to know everything. You either give into the chaos, or you start a devops practice where people start to think about how we build, release, and the path from designer’s brain to production.The panelists then talk about how to introduce a design system into a company where there are cultural conflicts. Kaelig shares his experience working with SalesForce and introducing a design system there. They discuss what aspects of a design system that would make people want to use it over what the team is currently doing. Usually teams are thankful for the design system. It’s important to build a system that’s complete, flexible, and extensible so that you can adapt it to your team. A good design system incorporates ‘subatomic’ parts like the grid system, color palette, and typography, referred to as design tokens. Design systems enable people to take just the bits of the design system that are interesting to them and build the components that are missing more easily. The conversation turns to the installation and upgrade process of a design system. Upgrading is left up to the customer to do on their own time in most cases, unless it’s one of the big customers. They talk about the role of components in upgrading a design system. Kaelig talks about the possibility of Shopify transitioning to web components. Kaelig shares some of his favorite tools for making a design system and how to get started making one. A lot of design teams start by taking a ton of screen shots and looking at all the inconsistencies.Giving them that visibility is a good thing because it helps get everyone get on the same page. The panelists talk about the role of upper management in developing components and how to prioritize feature development. Kaelig talks about what drives the decision to take a feature out. The two main reasons a feature would be removed is because the company wants to change the way things are done and there’s a different need that has arisen. The show concludes by discussing the possibility of a design system getting bloated over time. Kaelig says that Design systems takes some of the burden off your team, help prevent things from getting bloated, allow you to ship less code. Panelists
  • Chris Ferdinandi
  • Aimee Knight
  • Steve Emmerich
With special guest: Kaelig Deloumeau-PrigentSponsorsLinks Follow DevChatTV on Facebook and Twitter PicksSteve Emmerich:Aimee Knight:Chris Ferdinandi:Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent:Special Guest: Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent.

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Splatty-doo and Other JavaScript Features You Should Avoid - JSJ 543

Splatty-doo and Other JavaScript Features You Should Avoid - JSJ 543

Today in this all panelist episode, we talk about JS features you should avoid using.  However opinions don't always align, and some come with much debate!  Although we couldn’t cover them all, today we discuss:eval withargumentsdo while for I++continue classesprototypesthisvar with letdeleteSponsorsTop End DevsRaygun | Click here to get started on your free 14-day trialCoaching | Top End DevsLinksJavaScript Remote Conference 2022Twitter: ‎@cmaxwPicksAJ- Virginia Ctenucha Ctenucha virginica (Esper, 1794) | Butterflies and Moths of North AmericaAJ- The Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon SandersonAJ- Thread pitch gauge at Lowes.com: Search ResultsCharles- AntidoteCharles- Conferences | Top End DevsCharles- 1883 - Yellowstone Prequel (Official Site) Watch on Paramount+Dan- Can I use... Support tables for HTML5, CSS3, etcDan - War in UkraineDan- Webb Space Telescope GSFC/NASASteve- Coworker Standing At Desk Obviously Just Hasn't Learned About Chairs YetSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

2 Aug 20221h 16min

Upcoming Performance Metrics for the Web - JSJ 542

Upcoming Performance Metrics for the Web - JSJ 542

Today we have three guests on the show, Annie Sullivan, Yoav Weiss, and Michal Mocny, all of who are engineers who work for Google on the Chrome Web platform.  Looking forward to Google’s new developments for measuring web performance, we dive deep into upcoming performance metrics Largest Contentful Paint (LCP) and Interaction to Next Paint (INP), a full page lifecycle metric.  We discuss what user page interactions we can measure successfully and which we cannot.  We discuss the challenges of single-page applications when looking at core web vitals. SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsLinksTop End Devs | ConferencesTwitter: @anniesullieTwitter: @mmocnyTwitter: @yoavweissPicksAJ- GothamGo 2018 - Things in Go I Never Use by Mat RyerAJ - AmericaAnnie- Keynote by Mr. Thomas Dullien - CyCon 2018Charles- Just OneDan - Felix Arntz and WordPress PerformanceDan - WatermelonsDan - War in UkraineMichal- Single Handed PodcastMichal - Samurai CarpenterSteve - Dad JokesYoav - No meetings weekYoav- TPAC 2022Yoav- performance.now(); October 27-28, 2022, AmsterdamSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

26 Juli 20221h 16min

Navigating Online Events and Conferences - JSJ 541

Navigating Online Events and Conferences - JSJ 541

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19 Juli 20221h 7min

Builder.io and Qwik - JSJ 540

Builder.io and Qwik - JSJ 540

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12 Juli 20221h 24min

Hydrogen and Oxygen - JSJ 539

Hydrogen and Oxygen - JSJ 539

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5 Juli 20221h 4min

To TypeScript or Not to TypeScript - JSJ 538

To TypeScript or Not to TypeScript - JSJ 538

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28 Juni 20221h 11min

Core Web Vitals and Whatnot - JSJ 537

Core Web Vitals and Whatnot - JSJ 537

Today’s guest Annie Sullivan, a software engineer on the Chrome Platform team, focussing on core web vitals metrics which is all about performance and user experience metrics for websites.  We discuss topics such as Largest Contentful Paint (LCP), and how it works behind the scenes.  We also touch on Cumulative Layout Shift (CLS) and things that impact browser experience.   SponsorsTop End DevsRaygun | Click here to get started on your free 14-day trialCoaching | Top End DevsLinksCrUX and Core Web Vitals - What to Measure on the Web with Rick Viscomi - JSJ 486Annie SullivanMartin SplittTwitter: @anniesullieSponsors | Top End DevsConferences| Top End DevsJason Weimann - YouTubePicksAJ- The Pretender | Apple TVAJ- ‎@coolaj86AJ- AJ ONeal - YoutubeAJ- Beyond Code BootcampAnnie- Google I/O 2022 Session DetailsAnnie- Procreate® - Sketch, Paint, Create.Annie- Art with Flo - YouTubeCharles- TACO CAT GOAT CHEESE PIZZACharles - Tag someone that has made a difference in one of our podcasts!Dan- ‎@anniesullieDan- Safari is crippling the mobile market, and we never noticedDan - War in UkraineSteve - New York City removes the last payphone from serviceSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

21 Juni 20221h 21min

Gal Schlezinger and Edge Functions - JSJ 536

Gal Schlezinger and Edge Functions - JSJ 536

Today we talk with Gal working on developer tooling for the last decade.  Previously working at WIX, and now working at Vercel, he has created an open source FNM fast node version manager within that operates within Rust.  We talk about Vercel’s Edge Functions, which allows users to insert routing strategies with user code without having performance hits.    SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsLinksDevelop. Preview. Ship. For the best frontend teams - VercelEdge Functions - VercelBun - fast JavaScript & CSS bundlerfnmsolving puzzles using TypeScript typesGal SchlezingerTwitter: @galstarPicksAJ - None Dare Call It ConspiracyAJ - WHO KILLED BITCOIN? - DocumentaryDan - How To Use Google CrUX To Analyze And Compare The Performance Of JS FrameworksDan - A deep dive into optimizing LCPDan - War in UkraineGal - RaycastGal - Working with smarter peopleSteve - Podcast from syntax.fmSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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