Reimagining the Body: Gifts of the Spirit (The Church Part 21)
Expedition 4419 Sep 2023

Reimagining the Body: Gifts of the Spirit (The Church Part 21)

During our 5-fold episodes we never really gave a history of the 5-fold office thinking so we’ll begin with that today and recap those 4 episodes before we look at the other gifts and how we should look at the church as a body of many gifts working together and not a hierarchical system with 5 gifts on the top. X44 Article written last March: Most of the Pentecostal world believes in the 5 fold ministry, and as I don’t disagree with most anything said or taught about the 5 fold gifts specifically, I can also see how this term has become controversial and often thought of as divisive within the body of Christ towards the other gifts. I also Theologically cringe any time a doctrine or movement seems to be derived in large part by a singular text. (In this way the use of Ephesians to frame the 5 fold ministry as a doctrine has often been claimed as a “proof text.”)

One of the first things to consider is that Paul gave us two other lists elsewhere in his epistles. The lists vary from this one significantly. This list in Ephesians wasn’t intended to be a doctrinal model; if it was the NT or Paul sure didn’t do a very good job of articulating that. If the intention was to present the list as a model of hierarchy in the church, I would think it would have been presented much differently. In other words, the laws of hermeneutics simply don’t allow a scholar reader to interpret this way. To my point, 1 Corinthians 12 would speak to an 8 fold ministry where the order is different. In the same way Romans 12 presents yet another list. This Seven Fold list moves leadership to the very bottom, just ahead of showing mercy, and it moves service, teaching and encouragement to the top. It takes some theological gymnastics to make a doctrine out of the list in Ephesians. We will get into this a bit more in depth later in the film.


OVERVIEW • 5-fold gifts and the other lists (7 and 8-fold?) are not about hierarchy but about building up the body of Christ. • The church is a body- a mutual and co-equal body- that reflects Jesus. There is no hierarchy in giftings. • These giftings don’t lead to an office though some might lead or administrate in their gifting better than others based on maturity and humility- we should all mutually submit to each other. • Faith, Hope, and Love are the foundation for exercising our gifts. It should all be done in edification and grace towards each other. Be incarnational! • There should be a recognition and celebration of people’s gifts- especially the behind the scenes and “on the street” type that aren’t in front of people. • Order- we need to use our gift in an order. It is not about self-elevation but about building up the body. o Serving Christ is the purpose in the gathering. When the gifts are displayed people are built up, Christ is displayed and glorified, and the church is discipled. • Identify your gift and use it- the body of Christ is counting on you and suffers when you don’t. For questions and comments please email us at ryan@expedition44.com or matt@expedition44.com.

Avsnitt(189)

Isaiah 53: NT use of the OT

Isaiah 53: NT use of the OT

In this episode Dr. Will Ryan and Dr. Matt look at the NT author’s usage of Isaiah 53. It is quoted 9 times in the NT directly. We’ll also look at Acts where we’ll see how the disciples use the same d...

5 Juni 20241h 20min

Isaiah 53: Septuagint (LXX) and Masorectic Text (MTT)

Isaiah 53: Septuagint (LXX) and Masorectic Text (MTT)

Today Dr. Will Ryan and Dr. Matt dive into Isaiah 53 looking at the textual and message differences in the Septuagint (LXX) and the Masorectic Text (MTT). When read as pros (singular voice) these 2 ...

4 Juni 20241h 27min

The Lost World of the Prophets: Interview with John Walton

The Lost World of the Prophets: Interview with John Walton

In this episode Dr. Ryan and Dr. Matt interview Dr. John Walton on his new book The Lost World of the Prophets. Dr. John Walton is an emeritus professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College in Illino...

30 Maj 20241h 2min

Why Hell?: Interview with Steve Gregg

Why Hell?: Interview with Steve Gregg

Today Dr. Ryan and Dr. Matt interview Steve Gregg on his updated edition of the book Why Hell?: 3 Christian Views Critically Examined. Steve Gregg is a teacher, author, and international lecturer on ...

28 Maj 20241h 38min

Original Sin: Implications and Conclusion (Part 6)

Original Sin: Implications and Conclusion (Part 6)

In this series, we have looked at the doctrine of Original Sin. We believe there was an original sin but disagree with the doctrine of Original Sin. We observed that Augustine introduced this doctrine...

29 Feb 20241h 31min

Original Sin: Romans 5 (Part 5)

Original Sin: Romans 5 (Part 5)

Romans 5 is the central Original Sin prooftext so today we’re going to dig in and look at what it says. As we mentioned in our first episode Augustine used Romans 5:12 as the cornerstone text for his ...

2 Feb 20241h 46min

Original Sin: The Incarnation (Part 4)

Original Sin: The Incarnation (Part 4)

Today Dr. Will Ryan and Dr. Matt consider the incarnation of Jesus and the ramifications regarding Original Sin. We want to give a Shout out to Warren McGrew of Idol Killer and Will and Brian of The ...

24 Jan 202456min

Original Sin: Original Guilt & Infant Depravity (Part 3)

Original Sin: Original Guilt & Infant Depravity (Part 3)

Today we are going to look at 2 main things: 1) Does the Bible say sin is transferable or inheritable? And  2) What does the Bible say about the state of infants and children (are they doomed from the...

23 Jan 20241h 22min

Populärt inom Religion & Spiritualitet

spokjakt-pa-riktigt-laxton-podden
rss-borgvattnets-hemligheter
rss-historiens-mysterier
sektledare
rysarstunden
rss-patos
sa-in-i-sjalen
rss-sjalsligt-avkladd
rss-alternativ-historia
bathina-en-podcast
spokhistorier
rss-basta-livet
rss-bajen-idag
rss-universums-hemligheter
rss-manniskan
rss-hogmod
rss-activation-podcast
mediumpodden-vivi-camilla
rss-forntida-astronauter
skrackstunden