Seth Carpenter: Are Higher Rates Permanent?

Seth Carpenter: Are Higher Rates Permanent?

The recent rise in long term yields and economic tightening raises the question of how restrictive U.S. financial conditions have become.


----- Transcript -----

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Seth Carpenter, Morgan Stanley's Chief Global Economist, and along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives. Today, I'll be talking about the tightening of financial conditions. It's Monday, October 16th at 10 a.m. in New York.


The net selloff in U.S. interest rates since May prompts the question of how restrictive financial conditions have become in the United States. Federal Reserve leaders highlighted the tightening in conditions in recent speeches, with emphasis on the recent rise in long term yields. One lens on this issue is the Financial Conditions index, and the Morgan Stanley version suggests that the recent rate move is the equivalent of just under two Fed hikes since the September FOMC meeting. Taken at face value, it sustained these tight conditions will restrain economic activity over time. Put differently, the market is doing additional tightening for the Fed.


Before the rally in rates this week, the Morgan Stanley Financial Conditions Index reached the highest level since November 2022, and the move was the equivalent of more than 2 25 basis point hikes since the September FOMC meeting. Of course, the mapping to Fed funds equivalence is just one approximation among many. When Fed staff tried to map QE effects into Fed funds equivalence, they would have assessed the 50 basis point move in term premiums we have seen as a 200 basis point move in hiking the Fed funds rate.


What does the FCI mean for inflation and growth? Well, Morgan Stanley forecasts have been fairly accurate on the inflation trend throughout 2023, although we have underestimated growth. We think that core PCE inflation gets below 3% by the first quarter of next year. For growth, the key question is whether the sell off is exogenous, that is if it's unrelated to the fundamentals of the economy and whether it persists. A persistent exogenous rise in rates should slow the economy, and over time the Fed would need to adjust the path of policy lower in order to offset that drag. The more drag that comes from markets, the less drag the Fed would do with policy. But if instead the sell off is endogenous, that is, the higher rates reflect just a fundamentally stronger economy, either because of more fiscal policy or higher productivity growth or both, the growth need not slow at all and rates can stay high forever.


Well, what does the FCI mean then, for the Fed? Bond yields have contributed about 2/3's of the rise in the Financial conditions index, and the Fed seems to have taken note. In a panel moderated by our own Ellen Zentner last Monday, Vice Chair Jefferson was a key voice suggesting that the rate move could forestall another hike. The Fed, however, must confront the same two questions. Is the tightening endogenous or exogenous, and will it persist? If rates continued their rally over the next several weeks and offset the tightening, then there's no material effect. But the second question of exogeneity is also critical. If the selloff was exogenous, then the tightening should hurt growth and the Fed will have to adjust policy in response. If instead the higher rates are an endogenous reaction, then there may be more underlying strength in the economy than our models imply and the shift higher in rates could be permanent.


Thanks for listening. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review on Apple Podcasts or share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today.

Avsnitt(1515)

Andrew Sheets: An Artificial Calm?

Andrew Sheets: An Artificial Calm?

Confidence in the ability of central bank to suppress market volatility through aggressive policy may be misplaced.

13 Nov 20202min

Matt Hornbach: 2021 - Another Big Year for Liquidity?

Matt Hornbach: 2021 - Another Big Year for Liquidity?

G10 central banks could inject another $2.8 trillion of liquidity next year—over twice the amount in any year prior to this one. How will this impact rates and currencies?

12 Nov 20203min

Michael Zezas: Vaccine-driven Rebound Could Help Munis

Michael Zezas: Vaccine-driven Rebound Could Help Munis

Although improving economic growth and rising inflation could present challenges for bond investors, “re-opening” could bring benefit for municipal bonds.

11 Nov 20202min

Reza Moghadam: Amid Lockdowns, Europe Looks to a Vaccine

Reza Moghadam: Amid Lockdowns, Europe Looks to a Vaccine

Although COVID-19 new case rates have been climbing in Europe, the impact of this second wave may not be as severe this time around.

10 Nov 20204min

Mike Wilson: Markets Cheer Clarity on Vaccine, Election

Mike Wilson: Markets Cheer Clarity on Vaccine, Election

Upbeat news on a coronavirus vaccine and a win for President-elect Biden drive stocks significantly higher. How should investors trade a potentially earlier re-opening?

9 Nov 20203min

Special Episode: Markets Parse Election Results, Jobs Report

Special Episode: Markets Parse Election Results, Jobs Report

All eyes are on the U.S. Presidential race as markets also weigh climbing coronavirus cases in the U.S., fiscal stimulus uncertainty and October’s jobs report.

6 Nov 20208min

Michael Zezas: Breaking - Why Post-Election Day Just Got Trickier

Michael Zezas: Breaking - Why Post-Election Day Just Got Trickier

Amidst the uncertainty, three topics should be front of mind for investors: implications of a divided government, the path to fiscal stimulus and tax changes.

5 Nov 20202min

Mike Wilson: Is the Worst of the Correction Over?

Mike Wilson: Is the Worst of the Correction Over?

Although some volatility may lie ahead, the end of the U.S. election cycle and progress on a potential coronavirus vaccine may bring some optimism to markets.

2 Nov 20203min

Populärt inom Business & ekonomi

badfluence
framgangspodden
varvet
rss-jossan-nina
rss-borsens-finest
rss-svart-marknad
uppgang-och-fall
lastbilspodden
affarsvarlden
fill-or-kill
avanzapodden
24fragor
kapitalet-en-podd-om-ekonomi
rss-kort-lang-analyspodden-fran-di
rss-inga-dumma-fragor-om-pengar
borsmorgon
rss-dagen-med-di
bathina-en-podcast
rss-en-rik-historia
montrosepodden