Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Teri Yates explores the nuances of choosing between an Office-Based Lab (OBL) and Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) for private practices. Teri is the CEO of Accountable Physician Advisors, a consulting firm which specializes in OBLs, ASCs, and hybrid models for private-practice physicians. She is also President of DocCentric, a company focused on supporting physicians building and leading their own ASCs. The discussion includes a comprehensive analysis of the financial, regulatory, and operational considerations for physicians contemplating this decision. This includes insights into reimbursement models, Medicare regulations, and the strategic advantages of each model. The episode also touches on the importance of feasibility studies, partnerships with other specialties, and real estate strategies when developing these facilities. The conversation provides valuable advice for navigating the complexities of ASC development and emphasizes the value of maintaining independence and leveraging physician-owned models for long-term success. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SHOW NOTES 00:00 - Introduction 04:19 - Deep Dive into OBL and ASC: Definitions, Differences, and Decisions 07:26 - Financial Implications of ASC vs. OBL 10:56 - Hybrid Model: Combining OBL and ASC for Flexibility 15:14 - Navigating the Complexities of ASC Development 20:03 - Real Estate Strategies for OBL and ASC Projects 22:50 - Staffing Considerations and Physician Entrepreneur Insights 35:17 - Future of OBL and ASC: Trends and Predictions 39:43 - Closing Thoughts and Resources for Further Learning --- RESOURCES Ambulatory Surgery Center Association: https://www.ascassociation.org/home OEIS Annual Meeting 2024 Las Vegas: https://oeisweb.com/meetings/2024-annual-meeting/ Accountable Physician Advisors (Teri’s consulting firm): http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/services DocCentric: https://doccentricasc.com/ NOON Development Company: https://noondevelopment.com/ BT VI Episode #366 - Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid BT VI Episode #202 - Staffing the OBL with Dr. Krishna Mannava and Kristin Longwell: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/202/staffing-the-obl BT VI Episode #129 - OBL / ASC Business Pearls with Dr. Jim Melton: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/129/obl-asc-business-pearls BI VI Episode #121 - Office-Based Labs (OBLs) & What You Can Do in Them with Dr. Mike Watts: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/121/office-based-labs-obls-what-you-can-do-in-them BT VI Episode #42 - Building an Outpatient UFE Practice with Dr. Mary Costantino: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/36/building-an-outpatient-ufe-practice

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Ep. 478 ASC vs. OBL: Legal Insights Explained with Jason Greis

Ep. 478 ASC vs. OBL: Legal Insights Explained with Jason Greis

Are you interested in starting an ASC or converting your OBL into an ASC, but aren’t sure where to start? We’ve got you covered with this comprehensive overview. Attorney Jason Greis joins guest host and ASC founder Dr. Krishna Mannava to explore the operational, financial, and legal intricacies of starting an ASC. Jason is a Partner of Benesch, Friedlander, Coplan & Aronoff LLP, outside co-counsel to the Renal Physicians Association and OEIS Society, and recognized faculty member of SIR Business Institute. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR RADPAD® Radiation Protection https://www.radpad.com/ --- SYNPOSIS Jason and Dr. Mannava discuss crucial factors such as structural modifications, financial considerations, legal requirements, Certificate of Need (CON) states, and credentialing processes. The conversation also delves into strategic partnerships with hospitals, the role of ASC management companies, and the involvement of non-physician owners. Additionally, they explain the implications of non-compete clauses, operational challenges, investment structures, and exit strategies. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:11 - OBL to ASC Conversion 06:08 - Financial and Regulatory Aspects 15:35 - Ownership and Investment Strategies 29:41 - Non-Competes and Legal Risks 34:21 - Specialized Legal Advice and Conclusion --- RESOURCES Vive Vascular: https://www.vivevascular.com/ SIR Business Center: https://irbc.sirweb.org/

10 Sep 202446min

Ep. 477 Building a Successful Lymphangiography Practice with Dr. Bill Majdalany

Ep. 477 Building a Successful Lymphangiography Practice with Dr. Bill Majdalany

What’s needed to build a successful lymphangiography practice? Dr. Bill Majdalany joins host Dr. Chris Beck to answer this question and to discuss advancements in lymphangiography over the past decade. Dr. Majdalany is the Chief and Vice Chair of Research of Interventional Radiology at University of Vermont. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Guerbet --- SYNPOSIS The doctors provide insights on various lymphatic procedures such as thoracic duct embolization, stenting, and recanalization. They also discuss the evolving significance of lymphatic medicine in interventional radiology and its potential applications in treating conditions like ascites and variceal bleeding. The conversation underscores the interconnected nature of the lymphatic system throughout the body, emphasizing the revolutionary potential of lymphangiography in modern medicine. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 04:23 - Building a Lymphangiography Practice 08:36 - The Lymphatic Revolution 17:42 - Practical Tips and Equipment for Lymphangiography 30:09 - Advanced Interventions and Tools 48:45 - Future of Lymphatic Interventions 51:23 - Conclusion and Resources --- RESOURCES BackTable VI Podcast Episode #135 - IR Residency Pathways & Getting In! (Part 1) with Dr. Jeff Bodner and Dr. Bill Majdalany: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/contributors/dr-bill-majdalany Seminars in Interventional Radiology - Lymphatics: https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/issue/10.1055/s-010-49075 Lymphatic Anatomy: https://www.techvir.com/article/S1089-2516(16)30042-7/abstract

3 Sep 202454min

Ep. 476 Medical Innovations: IR in Space with Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon

Ep. 476 Medical Innovations: IR in Space with Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon

What is the final frontier of interventional radiology? Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon believe it could be space. Dominic is a 3rd year medical student at Duke University interested in interventional radiology (IR) and space medicine, and Dr. Moon is a Professor at Duke University and an expert in hyperbaric and aerospace medicine. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Medtronic DCB https://www.medtronic.com/us-en/healthcare-professionals/products/cardiovascular/drug-coated-balloons.html --- SYNPOSIS Dominic and Dr. Moon cover the potential for IR in deep space missions, focusing on the unique challenges astronauts face, such as altered blood flow, increased clotting risks, and the impacts of microgravity on the human body. The episode dives into NASA’s investments in portable medical technologies, the practicalities of emergency medical procedures in space, and the need for minimally invasive interventions. The significance of IR in diagnosing and managing vascular issues in space is discussed, as well as the broader implications for future Mars missions and long-term space travel. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 02:36 - IR in Space 20:04 - Medical Issues Astronauts Face 26:27 - Remote Surgery and Telesurgery 30:45 - Emergency Evacuations in Space 32:32 - More on Space Medicine --- RESOURCES Aerospace Medicine Association: https://www.asma.org/about-asma/careers/aerospace-medicine Translational Research Institute for Space Health: https://www.bcm.edu/academic-centers/space-medicine/translational-research-institute Space Medicine Coursera: https://www.coursera.org/learn/space-medicine-duke What Space Medicine Taught Me About Science Communication | Dominic Tanzillo | TEDxDuke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBkdvSByneM Dominic Tanzillo: https://dominictanzillo.github.io/

27 Aug 202437min

Ep. 475 Bariatric Embolization for Obesity Management with Dr Cliff Weiss

Ep. 475 Bariatric Embolization for Obesity Management with Dr Cliff Weiss

While GLP-1 agonists continue to gain popularity in the medical management of diabetes and obesity, Dr. Cliff Weiss is exploring bariatric arterial embolization (BAE) as an adjunctive therapy to help patients sustain weight loss. Dr. Weiss, the Director of IR Research at Johns Hopkins, joins the show to discuss the techniques and impacts of BAE for obesity treatment. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Weiss outlines his initial research interest in gastric embolization of the fundus to reduce ghrelin production. He began by studying the use of sclerosants for embolization but later shifted to using embolic spheres. BAE involves the targeted embolization of the left gastric artery, with or without the left gastroepiploic artery, using 300-500 micron embolic spheres. Dr. Weiss also employs a dilute mixture of spheres and a vasodilator to achieve distal arterial penetration. He describes the role of BAE in conjunction with existing surgical and pharmaceutical treatments. According to his experience, patients undergoing BAE achieve maximum weight loss 6-9 months after the procedure and can maintain this weight when they follow up in a weight management clinic. Additionally, Dr. Weiss reviews data from BAE studies, including the BEAT Obesity Trial and the recent BEATLES Trial. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:21 - Early Research and Development of BAE 07:39 - Potential Role of BAE in Obesity Treatment 16:03 - Procedure Details 25:28 - Post-Procedure Care and Patient Management 28:06 - Insights from the BEAT Obesity Trial 33:38 - BEATLES Trial 37:38 - Combination Therapy for Obesity --- RESOURCES BEAT Obesity Trial: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiol.2019182354 LC Bead/Bead Block: https://www.bostonscientific.com/en-US/products/embolization/lc-bead.html EmboSpheres: https://www.merit.com/product/embosphere-microspheres/ EMBIO Trial: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/9/e072327 BEATLES Trial: https://www.jvir.org/article/S1051-0443(23)01155-7/fulltext

20 Aug 202445min

Ep. 474 Navigating Physician and Industry Relationships with Dr. Adam Tanious

Ep. 474 Navigating Physician and Industry Relationships with Dr. Adam Tanious

How can physicians and industry partners collaborate effectively to enhance patient care? Dr. Adam Tanious, Assistant Professor of Vascular Surgery at the Medical University of South Carolina, joins host Dr. Aaron Fritts to explore strategies for navigating physician-industry relationships. --- SYNPOSIS The doctors share their experiences in partnering with the medical device industry. The conversation covers the benefits of industry partnerships, the challenges of avoiding conflicts of interest, and the critical role of education in preparing new physicians for these interactions. Dr. Tanious also delves into his thought-provoking TED Talk on big business in surgery, and discusses the value of business education for physicians. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 02:12 - Medicine and Business 05:01 - Business Knowledge for Physicians 15:05 - Physician-Industry Relationships 27:26 - Industry Relationships in Medical Training 33:08 - Ethical Considerations and Influence in the OR 35:00 - Leveraging Industry Resources for Better Training 43:24 - Future of Medical Technology and Collaboration --- RESOURCES Big Business and Surgery: Who Belongs in Your Operating Room?: https://youtu.be/kksVjF0fI_w?si=LADwqrbXPz3VsFm4 Quantic MBA Program: https://quantic.edu/blog/category/fields-of-study/accounting/ The price of a cup of coffee: https://vascularspecialistonline.com/the-price-of-a-cup-of-coffee/

16 Aug 202456min

Ep. 473 Portal Hypertension Treatment Strategies: IR and Hepatology Perspectives with Dr. Thomas Leventhal and Dr. Siobhan Flanagan

Ep. 473 Portal Hypertension Treatment Strategies: IR and Hepatology Perspectives with Dr. Thomas Leventhal and Dr. Siobhan Flanagan

The management of portal hypertension has drastically evolved over the years. What are the current best practices? And what’s coming next? Dr. Tom Leventhal and Dr. Siobahn Flanagan from University of Minnesota Medical School join us for an interdisciplinary discussion. Dr. Leventhal is an Associate Professor of Transplant Hepatology and Dr. Siobhan is an Associate Professor of Interventional Radiology. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Cook Medical Embolization https://www.cookmedical.com/interventional-radiology/coils-home/cook-products/?utm_source=backtable&utm_medium=digital&utm_campaign=vasc_ir_p_awa_embolization_2024_amer --- SYNPOSIS The doctors discuss current collaborative approaches that are improving portal hypertension patient care, the impact of contemporary clinical practices in transplant hepatology and IR, and the imminent future of portal hypertension treatments. Dr. Leventhal also gives his insight on what could be on the horizon, touching on in-vitro organ creation, xenotransplants, and stem cells phasing out immunosuppression. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 06:10 - Managing Portal Hypertension 07:51 - Current Collaborative Practices 10:38 - Patient Referral and Management 15:25 - Initial Workup for Portal Hypertension 19:27 - Role of Biopsy in Diagnosis 24:02 - Patient Scenarios for TIPS Referral 32:04 - Ultrasound and Intracardiac Echocardiography (ICE) in TIPS 38:09 - Clinical Management 52:48 - Future of Transplant and Organ Growth

13 Aug 202458min

Ep. 472 All Things Enteral Access Part 2 from Dr. Peter Bream

Ep. 472 All Things Enteral Access Part 2 from Dr. Peter Bream

We are back with Part 2 of All Things Enteral Access with Dr. Peter Bream! We discuss various aspects of enteric access and management of complications with G and GJ-tubes. --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Bream provides detailed advice on troubleshooting common issues such as leaking tubes, infections, and clogs. He emphasizes the importance of a multidisciplinary approach in managing special populations, such as patients with ALS and head and neck cancer, and offers guidance for safe and effective procedures. The conversation is rich with practical tips, tricks, and valuable insights that cater to both new and experienced practitioners. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 01:47 - Special Populations 07:21 - ALS Patients 09:57 - Head and Neck Cancer Patients 14:05 - Techniques for Gastric Bypass and Altered Anatomy 18:11 - Addressing G-Tube Issues 27:16 - Converting G to GJ-Tubes 31:11 - Advanced Tips and Tricks --- RESOURCES Weighted Tip Extensions Result in Fewer Gastrojejunostomy Tube Migrations and Increase Tube Lifespan: https://www.jvir.org/article/S1051-0443(22)01243-X/abstract

9 Aug 202437min

Ep. 471 All Things Enteral Access Part 1 from Dr. Peter Bream

Ep. 471 All Things Enteral Access Part 1 from Dr. Peter Bream

Do you have questions about enteral access? Dr. Peter Bream’s got you covered! In this episode Dr. Bream, former Professor at UNC Chapel Hill School of Medicine and current private practice interventional radiologist, shares his extensive knowledge on enteral access. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Medtronic Concerto https://www.medtronic.com/us-en/healthcare-professionals/products/cardiovascular/peripheral-embolization/concerto.html --- SYNPOSIS The discussion covers various insertion techniques, the use of different types of tubes including NG, G, and GJ tubes, and specialized methods like the Balloon-Assisted Gastrostomy (BAG) and Percutaneous Transesophageal Gastrostomy (PTEG). Dr. Bream also provides valuable insights on handling complications, patient preparation, and post-procedure care, making this episode a comprehensive guide for all things enteral access. Be sure to check out Part 2 next. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:00 - Tubes for Enteral Access 15:48 - Techniques and Personal Experiences 29:59 - Limitations and Techniques for Stroke Patients 30:45 - Patient Comfort and Sedation 37:16 - Complications and Safety Measures 39:14 - Palliative Techniques and Special Cases 49:49 - Post-Procedure Care and Maintenance --- RESOURCES Percutaneous gastrostomy: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6414043/ Retrospective comparison of outcomes and associated complications between large bore radiologically inserted gastrostomy tube types: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30073401/ Single-Step Method for Pull-Type Gastrostomy Tube Placement: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31542269/ Balloon Assisted Gastrostomy (BAG) YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/GuF7BYW2Hm0?si=6xUIDQaQV-ywX1ua IR Playbook: A Comprehensive Introduction to Interventional Radiology (1st edition): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-71300-7 IR Playbook: A Comprehensive Introduction to Interventional Radiology Second Edition 2024: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-52546-9 Pediatric gastrostomy tubes and techniques: making safer and cleaner choices: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29180216/

8 Aug 202458min

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