Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Teri Yates explores the nuances of choosing between an Office-Based Lab (OBL) and Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) for private practices. Teri is the CEO of Accountable Physician Advisors, a consulting firm which specializes in OBLs, ASCs, and hybrid models for private-practice physicians. She is also President of DocCentric, a company focused on supporting physicians building and leading their own ASCs. The discussion includes a comprehensive analysis of the financial, regulatory, and operational considerations for physicians contemplating this decision. This includes insights into reimbursement models, Medicare regulations, and the strategic advantages of each model. The episode also touches on the importance of feasibility studies, partnerships with other specialties, and real estate strategies when developing these facilities. The conversation provides valuable advice for navigating the complexities of ASC development and emphasizes the value of maintaining independence and leveraging physician-owned models for long-term success. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SHOW NOTES 00:00 - Introduction 04:19 - Deep Dive into OBL and ASC: Definitions, Differences, and Decisions 07:26 - Financial Implications of ASC vs. OBL 10:56 - Hybrid Model: Combining OBL and ASC for Flexibility 15:14 - Navigating the Complexities of ASC Development 20:03 - Real Estate Strategies for OBL and ASC Projects 22:50 - Staffing Considerations and Physician Entrepreneur Insights 35:17 - Future of OBL and ASC: Trends and Predictions 39:43 - Closing Thoughts and Resources for Further Learning --- RESOURCES Ambulatory Surgery Center Association: https://www.ascassociation.org/home OEIS Annual Meeting 2024 Las Vegas: https://oeisweb.com/meetings/2024-annual-meeting/ Accountable Physician Advisors (Teri’s consulting firm): http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/services DocCentric: https://doccentricasc.com/ NOON Development Company: https://noondevelopment.com/ BT VI Episode #366 - Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid BT VI Episode #202 - Staffing the OBL with Dr. Krishna Mannava and Kristin Longwell: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/202/staffing-the-obl BT VI Episode #129 - OBL / ASC Business Pearls with Dr. Jim Melton: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/129/obl-asc-business-pearls BI VI Episode #121 - Office-Based Labs (OBLs) & What You Can Do in Them with Dr. Mike Watts: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/121/office-based-labs-obls-what-you-can-do-in-them BT VI Episode #42 - Building an Outpatient UFE Practice with Dr. Mary Costantino: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/36/building-an-outpatient-ufe-practice

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Ep. 71 Building a MedEd platform with Dr. Sarel Gaur

Ep. 71 Building a MedEd platform with Dr. Sarel Gaur

We talk with Interventional Radiologist Sarel Gaur about what inspired his #medEd #YouTube channel, where his topics come from, and tips for success for others.

13 Juli 202028min

Ep. 70 CO2 Angiography with Dr. James Caridi

Ep. 70 CO2 Angiography with Dr. James Caridi

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/F6p0sz In this episode, Dr. James Caridi joins Dr. Christopher Beck to discuss the benefits of using CO2 for an angiography as well as some important tips for proper use. Dr. Caridi mentions some of the reasons for choosing CO2 rather than contrast, including its solubility, low viscosity, and buoyancy. He also speaks about CO2 angiography approaches for imaging difficult to access vasculature. Dr. Caridi also speaks to specific uses of CO2 angiography for use for mesenteric angiography and how CO2 angiography can improve the sensitivity for detection and localization of GI bleeds. Dr. Caridi and Dr. Beck also discuss some non-vascular uses for CO2 angiography as well as a technique for imaging with CO2 without having to give up wire access. We talk through safely preparing a delivery system and gently injecting CO2 to prevent/reduce reflux in the patient if needed. Finally, we go into some notes concerning dialysis, contrast induced nephropathy, and some instances when CO2 angiography should not be used. Resources mentioned: CO2 Angiography Society http://www.co2angio.org/index.php This website features over 100 pieces of literature related to CO2 angiography, information about the newest developments, and access to membership in the society. Dr. Jim Caridi explains CO2mmander and AngiAssist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjsnHWmRZQI This video explains the portable delivery system and the gas management system.

6 Juli 202051min

Ep. 69 Retrograde Pedal Access with Dr. Jim Melton and Dr. Blake Parsons

Ep. 69 Retrograde Pedal Access with Dr. Jim Melton and Dr. Blake Parsons

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/wS9UCY Dr. Jim Melton and Dr. Blake Parsons discuss the benefits of retrograde pedal access in the treatment of PAD, as well as the team approach of their outpatient CardioVascular Health Clinic , which includes Vascular Surgery, Interventional Radiology, and Interventional Cardiology working together as partners for better patient care.

22 Juni 202052min

Ep. 68 RF Ablation Therapy for Bone Metastases with Dr. Jason Levy and Dr. Sandeep Bagla

Ep. 68 RF Ablation Therapy for Bone Metastases with Dr. Jason Levy and Dr. Sandeep Bagla

Dr. Jason Levy and Dr. Sandeep Bagla discuss palliative treatment of bone metastases with radiofrequency ablation, as well as recent results from the OPuS One trial.

15 Juni 202040min

Ep. 67 Locoregional Therapies for Bridging to Transplant in HCC with Dr. Alex Kim

Ep. 67 Locoregional Therapies for Bridging to Transplant in HCC with Dr. Alex Kim

Interventional Radiologist Dr. Alex Kim and Dr. Christopher Beck discuss the utility of different locoregional liver therapies in bridging HCC patients to transplant.

8 Juni 202047min

Ep. 66 Treatment of Endoleaks (Part II) with Dr. Saher Sabri and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Ep. 66 Treatment of Endoleaks (Part II) with Dr. Saher Sabri and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/IvRKl0 Dr. Sabeen Dhand and Dr. Saher Sabri discuss their various approaches to treating Type 2 Endoleaks.

2 Juni 202034min

Ep. 65 Treatment of Endoleaks (Part I) with Dr. Saher Sabri and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Ep. 65 Treatment of Endoleaks (Part I) with Dr. Saher Sabri and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/zw5KJW Dr. Sabeen Dhand talks with Dr. Saher Sabri about diagnosis and treatment of Endoleaks after EVAR placement. This is part one of a two part series on Endoleaks.

27 Maj 202029min

Ep. 64 Bridging to Transplant for HCC with Dr. Jennifer Berumen and Dr. Isabel Newton

Ep. 64 Bridging to Transplant for HCC with Dr. Jennifer Berumen and Dr. Isabel Newton

Transplant Surgeon Dr. Jennifer Berumen and Interventional Radiologist Dr. Isabel Newton discuss the treatment of HCC and the importance of multi-specialty collaboration in bridging these patients to successful liver transplantation. Special discussion was given around this HCC consortium article in Annals of Surgery: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30870180/

21 Maj 202050min

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