Episode #35: Rivals- Lee Krasner and Elaine de Kooning vs. Their Husbands (Season 3, Episode 4)

This episode receives additional support from Reynolda House Museum of American Art, where you can find one of the nation's most highly regarded collections of American art on view in a unique domestic setting - the restored 1917 mansion of R. J. and Katharine Reynolds surrounded by beautiful gardens and peaceful walking trails. You can browse Reynolda's art and decorative arts collections and see what's coming next at their website,  reynoldahouse.org.  Gift-giving: it’s one of the primary ways to solidify a relationship. But what happens when gifting goes suddenly wrong, and alters a friendship for good? Please  SUBSCRIBE and REVIEW our show on Apple Podcasts! Twitter / Facebook/ Instagram   Episode Credits This is the third  of three episodes in collaboration with Sartle. Sartle encourages you to see art history differently, and they have a plethora of incredibly fun and informative videos, blog posts, and articles on their website. Production and Editing by Kaboonki. Theme music by Alex Davis.  Social media assistance by Emily Crockett. ArtCurious is sponsored by Anchorlight, an interdisciplinary creative space, founded with the intent of fostering artists, designers, and craftspeople at varying stages of their development. Home to artist studios, residency opportunities, and exhibition space Anchorlight encourages mentorship and the cross-pollination of skills among creatives in the Triangle. Additional music credits "Misterioso" by Dee Yan-Key is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0; "Turkey Vulture" by Chad Crouch is licensed under BY-NC 3.0 ; "Bond Band" by Yan Terrian is licensed under BY-SA 4.0; "Galamus (piano solo)" by Circus Marcus is licensed under BY-NC 3.0; "Simple Life" by Anton Khoryukov is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0; "Facing It" by Komiku is licensed under CC0 1.0. Ad Music: "Lonely Chicken Inside Shopping Mall (ID 122)" by KieLoKaz is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "The Valley" by Dee Yan-Key is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0; "Pillow Tree: Version 2" by UncleBibby is licensed under BY 4.0.  Links and further resources Manet and the Family Romance, Nancy Locke Olympia: Paris in the Age of Manet, Otto Friedrich The Art of Rivalry: Four Friendships, Betrayals, and Breakthroughs in Modern Art, Sebastian Smee The Telegraph: "Did Manet Have a Secret Son?" The Art Story: Edgar Degas The New York Times: "Degas and Mrs. Manet" Edouard Manet, Self-Portrait with Palette, 1878–1879 Edgar Degas, Self-Portrait, 1855 (detail) Edouard Manet, Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe (Luncheon on the Grass), 1862-1863 Edgar Degas, The Rehearsal of the Ballet Onstage, 1874 Edouard Manet, The Absinthe Drinker, 1859 (detail) Edgar Degas, Édouard Manet and Mme. Manet, 1868-69 Edouard Manet, Olympia, 1863 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

9 Juli 201833min

This episode is sponsored by The Great Courses Plus. Get a FREE month of unlimited access to over 9,000 lectures presented by engaging, award-winning experts on everything from art to physics, interior design and world languages. Sign up today at thegreatcoursesplus.com/ART.  There’s an old quote that I’m sure you’ve heard referenced in a million sitcoms or Looney Tunes cartoons- though it actually stems from a 1932 western-- where one character, all flinty-eyed, turns to another, and declares, “This town ain’t big enough for the both of us.” It’s an order meant to scare someone away, but it’s also a declaration of the feelings of rivalry, of jealousy, as if it shouldn’t be allowed that two people of similar stature could be functioning-- or even flourishing-- in the same place and time. After all, you couldn’t possibly have two star quarterbacks on the team, or two top valedictorians. Someone always has to be the best, or even more importantly, to be seen by the public as the best.  But was this true in the case of the two top female painters in Revolutionary-era France? Please  SUBSCRIBE and REVIEW our show on Apple Podcasts! Twitter / Facebook/ Instagram Episode Credits Production and Editing by Kaboonki. Theme music by Alex Davis.  Logo by Dave Rainey. Social media assistance by Emily Crockett. Additional writing and research by Adria Gunter.  ArtCurious is sponsored by Anchorlight, an interdisciplinary creative space, founded with the intent of fostering artists, designers, and craftspeople at varying stages of their development. Home to artist studios, residency opportunities, and exhibition space Anchorlight encourages mentorship and the cross-pollination of skills among creatives in the Triangle. Additional music credits: "Yellow-rumped Warbler" by Chad Crouch is licensed under BY-NC 3.0 ; "Circles (Instrumental)" by Greg Atkinson is licensed under BY 3.0; "Stronger" by Alan Špiljak is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "Desktop Hall" by Yan Terrian is licensed under BY-SA 4.0; "Beijing 2008" by Anton Khoryukov is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0. Ad Music:  "I Was Waiting for Him" by Lee Rosevere is licensed under BY 4.0; "Streetworker Jack (ID 844)" by Lobo Loco  is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "Comedie" by Jahzzar is licensed under BY-SA 4.0 Links and further resources: ArtCurious Episode 3: The Semi-Charmed Life of Elisabeth Vigée Le Brun Harvard Magazine: Adélaïde Labille-Guiard Adélaïde Labille-Guiard: Artist in an Age of Revolution, by Laura Auricchio Metropolitan Museum Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History: Adélaïde Labille-Guiard Le Grand Palais: Elisabeth Louise Vigée Le Brun and Female Competition Jacques-Louis David: New Perspectives, by Dorothy Johnson   Élisabeth Louise Vigée Le Brun, Peace Bringing Back Abundance, 1780 Adélaïde Labille-Guiard, Self Portrait with Two Pupils, 1785 Élisabeth Louise Vigée Le Brun, Self-Portrait, 1790 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25 Juni 201831min

This episode is sponsored by The Great Courses Plus. Get a FREE month of unlimited access to over 10,000 lectures presented by engaging, award-winning experts on everything from art to physics, interior design and world languages. Sign up today at thegreatcoursesplus.com/ART.  In 19th century England, landscape painting transitioned into being something lovely and comparatively calm, and transformed into a personal and stylistic battleground. Landscape: pristine and idealized, or rough, ready, and turbulent? Which one would better express the heart of 19th century British painting? Please  SUBSCRIBE and REVIEW our show on Apple Podcasts! Twitter / Facebook/ Instagram Episode Credits This is the second of three episodes in collaboration with Sartle. Sartle encourages you to see art history differently, and they have a plethora of incredibly fun and informative videos, blog posts, and articles on their website. Production and Editing by Kaboonki. Theme music by Alex Davis.  Social media assistance by Emily Crockett.  ArtCurious is sponsored by Anchorlight, an interdisciplinary creative space, founded with the intent of fostering artists, designers, and craftspeople at varying stages of their development. Home to artist studios, residency opportunities, and exhibition space Anchorlight encourages mentorship and the cross-pollination of skills among creatives in the Triangle. Additional music credits "Western Tanager" by Chad Crouch is licensed under BY-NC 3.0; "Not the end" by Alan Špiljak is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "More Than Friendship - Geglaettet (ID 814)" by Lobo Loco  is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "Fuzzy Lines" by Yan Terrian is licensed under BY-SA 4.0; "Full of Stars" by Philipp Weigl is licensed under BY 4.0; "Phase 1" by Xylo-Ziko is licensed under  BY-NC-SA 4.0; "Whimsical Theme #2" by David Hilowitz is licensed under BY-NC 4.0; Ad Music: "Repeater Station - Observation (ID 204)" by Lobo Loco is licensed under  BY-NC-ND 4.0; "Electric Silence" by Unheard Music Concepts is licensed under BY 4.0 Links and further resources Memoirs of the Life of John Constable, C.R. Leslie John Constable: A Kingdom of His Own, Anthony Bailey The Life of J.M.W. Turner, Volume 2, Walter Thornbury Turner: The Extraordinary Life and Momentous Times of JMW Turner, Franny Moyle Standing in the Sun: A Life of JMW Turner, Anthony Bailey The Daily Mail: "Why Britain's Two Greatest Painters Hated Each Other's Guts: And now Turner and Constable Are Going Toe-to-Toe Once More" The Telegraph: "JMW Turner's Feud with John Constable Unveiled at Tate Britain"   Joseph Mallord William Turner, Self-Portrait, c. 1799 John Constable, Self-Portrait, c. 1799-1804 John Constable, The Hay Wain, 1821 JMW Turner, Rain, Steam and Speed, 1844 John Constable, The Opening of Waterloo Bridge, 1832 JMW Turner, Helvoetsluys, 1832 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

11 Juni 201832min

This episode is sponsored by The Great Courses Plus. Get a FREE month of unlimited access to over 9,000 lectures presented by engaging, award-winning experts on everything from art to physics, interior design and world languages. Sign up today at thegreatcoursesplus.com/ART.  This episode receives additional support from Reynolda House Museum of American Art, where you can find one of the nation's most highly regarded collections of American art on view in a unique domestic setting - the restored 1917 mansion of R. J. and Katharine Reynolds surrounded by beautiful gardens and peaceful walking trails. You can browse Reynolda's art and decorative arts collections and see what's coming next at their website,  reynoldahouse.org. The art world is a man’s world- or, at least, it used to be entirely one. This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who is a longtime listener of the ArtCurious Podcast, because we’ve touched multiple times on the difficulties that have faced women who have sought careers as artists.  Now, thankfully, in the age of #metoo, the male-heaviness of the art world is changing a bit, as it is in other facets of society. But turning back the clock to any other era in history, and the reality is that it was totally a man’s game. And the absolute manliness of it all was compounded intensely in one particular time and place: post-war America, where it was all about brusque machismo, the biggest innovations, and the biggest splash. It was a measuring contest like none other, and two larger-than-life characters were at the center of it all. Please SUBSCRIBE and REVIEW our show on Apple Podcasts!  Twitter / Facebook/ Instagram Episode Credits Production and Editing by Kaboonki. Theme music by Alex Davis.  Social media assistance by Emily Crockett. Additional research and writing for this episode by Stephanie Pryor. ArtCurious is sponsored by Anchorlight, an interdisciplinary creative space, founded with the intent of fostering artists, designers, and craftspeople at varying stages of their development. Home to artist studios, residency opportunities, and exhibition space Anchorlight encourages mentorship and the cross-pollination of skills among creatives in the Triangle. Additional music credits "The Walk" by Dee Yan-Key is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0; "Catching Glitter" by Split Phase is licensed under BY-NC-SA 3.0 US; "Aquasigns" by Tagirijus  is licensed under BY-NC-SA 4.0; "You know why" by Loyalty Freak Music is licensed under CC0 1.0 Universal License; "Tethered" by Nctrnm  is licensed under BY 4.0. Based on a work at https://soundcloud.com/nctrnm/; "Dancing on the Seafloor (KieLoKaz ID 110)" by KieLoBot  is licensed under BY-NC-ND 4.0; "Attempt 7" by Jared C. Balogh is licensed under BY-NC-SA 3.0 Ad music: "Ground Cayenne" by The Good Lawdz is licensed under BY-SA 3.0  Links and further resources The Art of Rivalry: Four Friendships, Betrayals, and Breakthroughs in Modern Art, Sebastian Smee The New York Times: "Ruth Kligman, Muse and Artist, Dies at 80" Jackson Pollock: An American Saga, Steven Naifeh and Gregory Smith De Kooning: A Retrospective, John Elderfield Willem de Kooning and his wife, Elaine, photograph by Hans Namuth, 1952. Jackson Pollock and his wife, Lee Krasner, photograph by Hans Namuth, 1950. Willem de Kooning, Excavation, 1950 Jackson Pollock, Stenographic Figure, c. 1942 Willem de Kooning, Woman I, 1950-1952 Jackson Pollock, Autumn Rhythm (Number 30), 1950 Jackson Pollock painting on panes of glass, Hans Namuth documentary stills, 1950. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

14 Maj 201831min

One pair of incredible Renaissance artists experienced a particularly epic rivalry. Both were vying for the same patrons, and their professional contempt very quickly got ultra-personal. Today, explore the intense conflict between Michelangelo and Raphael, both seeking approval and projects from one of the most innovative patrons: Pope Julius II. This episode is sponsored by The Great Courses Plus. Get a FREE month of unlimited access to over 9,000 lectures presented by engaging, award-winning experts on everything from art to physics, interior design and world languages. Sign up today at thegreatcoursesplus.com/ART.  // Please SUBSCRIBE and REVIEW our show on Apple Podcasts!  Twitter Facebook Instagram Episode Credits Production and Editing by Kaboonki. Theme music by Alex Davis. Social media assistance by Emily Crockett. Additional music credits may be found on our website.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

30 Apr 201835min

Rivalries are inherently fascinating, because they typically affect not only the individual rivals themselves, but also a whole ecosystem that can grow up around a rivalry-- spurring it on, and enabling it.  Some of the greatest artists in history have engaged in some seriously curious conflicts. What causes these rivalries is fascinating and vast-- is it art and creativity? Is it money and patronage? Or is it simply ego? And are the artists really in conflict with one another, or does it just appear that  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

16 Apr 201829min

We're thrilled to bring a bonus episode to you today. Last August, Jennifer Dasal was asked to speak on the topic of "genius" at CreativeMornings RDU. So what does genius have to do with madness? And how about suffering and sadness? Join Jennifer as she discusses this topic with the poster child for all suffering artists: Vincent Van Gogh. Want to WATCH this episode instead of listen to it? See the video of this lecture here! https://creativemornings.com/talks/jennifer-dasal/1 Learn more about CreativeMor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

26 Feb 201841min