Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel: When Will AI Become Conscious?

Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel: When Will AI Become Conscious?

Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel explore cognitive architectures, the nature of consciousness, and the prospects for artificial general intelligence. Their conversation weaves through language paradoxes, Zen concepts, and the limits of large language models as steps toward AGI.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:02:23 - Computation vs Awareness- 00:06:11 - The paradox of language and self-contradiction- 00:10:05 - The metaphysical categories of Charles Peirce- 00:13:00 - Zen Buddhism's category of zero- 00:14:18 - Carl Jung's interpretation of four- 00:21:22 - Language as "representation"- 00:28:48 - Computational reality vs AGI- 00:33:06 - Consciousness in particles- 00:44:18 - Anesthesia and consciousness: Joscha's personal perspective- 00:54:36 - Levels of consciousness levels (panpsychism vs functionalism)- 00:56:23 - Deep neural nets & LLMs as steps backward from AGI?- 01:05:04 - Emergent properties of LLMs- 01:12:26 - Turing-completeness and its implications- 01:15:08 - OpenAI's bold claims challenged- 01:24:24 - Future of AGI- 01:31:58 - Intelligent species after human extinction- 01:36:33 - Emergence of a cosmic mind- 01:43:56 - The timeline to AGI development- 01:52:16 - The physics of immortality- 01:54:00 - Critique of Integrated Information Theory (pseudoscience?)SPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9...- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt...- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7omaQ8SgA- OpenCog (Ben's Ai company): https://opencog.org- SingularityNET (Ben's Decentralized Ai company): https://singularitynet.io- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Podcast w/ Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/27zHyw_oHSI- Podcast w/ Michael Levin and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A- Podcast w/ John Vervaeke and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4- Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Curt Jaimungal: Can Physics Explain Its Own Laws?

Curt Jaimungal: Can Physics Explain Its Own Laws?

Why do physical laws have their specific form? Host Curt Jaimungal shows this question is a philosophical knot, because any "explanation" must itself stand on a law. Sponsors: - As a listener of TOE ...

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Roger Penrose: Why The Big Bang Was Not The Beginning

Roger Penrose: Why The Big Bang Was Not The Beginning

Nobel laureate Sir Roger Penrose dismantles standard cosmology, arguing the Big Bang wasn't the beginning and quantum mechanics is fundamentally wrong. He then connects a real, gravitational wave func...

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Aaron Schurger: Neuroscience Does Not Threaten Free Will

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The Libet experiment didn't kill free will, says professor of neuroscience Aaron Schurger; the brain's "readiness potential" is simply stochastic neural noise. We then tackle consciousness's role in i...

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Curt Jaimungal: Why I Don't Buy the Simulation Hypothesis (Nor Materialism)

Curt Jaimungal: Why I Don't Buy the Simulation Hypothesis (Nor Materialism)

Curt Jaimungal dismantles both the simulation hypothesis and materialism using consciousness arguments.One week ago, I (Curt Jaimungal) was invited to Niagara University to give the Peggy and John Day...

21 Okt 202557min

Yakir Aharonov: The Future Propagates Backward in Quantum Theory

Yakir Aharonov: The Future Propagates Backward in Quantum Theory

Yakir Aharonov argues quantum reality requires future states to propagate backward in time.Physicist Yakir Aharonov argues that the standard story of quantum mechanics is wrong, proposing a time-symme...

13 Okt 202550min

David Deutsch: Einstein Would Fail Modern Grant Applications

David Deutsch: Einstein Would Fail Modern Grant Applications

David Deutsch argues that Einstein would struggle to secure modern research grants, exposing how funding systems favor incremental work over bold, fundamental ideas. He connects this bias to quantum c...

6 Okt 20252h 18min

Wayne Myrvold: Entropy Isn't Real; It's What You Don't Know

Wayne Myrvold: Entropy Isn't Real; It's What You Don't Know

Wayne Myrvold reinterprets thermodynamics as a resource theory, arguing that the slogan “entropy always increases” follows from the second law rather than defining it. The conversation contrasts Gibbs...

29 Sep 20252h 5min

Michael Levin and Anil Seth: Your Brain Is Not a Computer

Michael Levin and Anil Seth: Your Brain Is Not a Computer

Anil Seth and Michael Levin debate whether brains are computers, how consciousness relates to substrate, and if algorithms can ever capture life and mind. Levin argues machines can access a platonic s...

22 Sep 20251h 12min

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