122: Narrative vs. Reality -- Whitney, Jeremy & Michelle Discuss Brian Hales - Pt. Two

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The second (and best) half of our first panel discussion on Brian Hales' false claims and opaque "transparency." We discuss Brian's oft repeated claim that no leader (or "keyholder" LOL) ever said why God "commanded" polygamy.

There is an embarrassment of riches when choosing quotes to expose just how seriously false this claim is. It was amazing to see what we each came up with. Good stuff in this one!

I'm hoping Brian and others will take notice that lies will not stand. We take these and all other scriptures seriously:

"Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven—

These should then be attended to with great earnestness.

Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things." (D&C 123:13-15)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/123?lang=eng

Links:

Orson Pratt, The Seer: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/2719f45e-8475-4fc4-823a-ab193aefa084/0/136

Brigham Young, July 14, 1855: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, pp. 264-268

https://jod.mrm.org/3/264

Erastus Snow October 4, 1857: Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, pp. 285-292

https://jod.mrm.org/5/285

Heber C. Kimball Feb 1 1857 : Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp. 207-213

https://jod.mrm.org/4/207

Brigham Young, July 6, 1862: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, pg. 322

https://jod.mrm.org/9/318

Brigham Young, August 9 1868: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, pg. 261

https://jod.mrm.org/12/255

John Taylor 1883: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 24, pg. 229

https://jod.mrm.org/24/227

John Taylor Revelation Sept 27, 1886: Brian Hales paper, https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1886-Revelation-article.pdf

Joseph F. Smith, July 7, 1878: Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, pg. 28

https://jod.mrm.org/20/24

George Q. Cannon November 16, 1884: Journal of Discourses, vol. 25, pp. 360-371

https://jod.mrm.org/25/360

Brigham Young, August 19, 1866: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11 pg. 268

https://jod.mrm.org/11/266

December 19, 1891 Petition for amnesty

https://digitalcommons.law.ou.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7160&context=indianserialset

Chapters:

0:00 Intro

2:30 Polygamy damages marriages

10:05 Brian Hales: We don’t know why God commanded polygamy

20:15 Orson Pratt's reasons for polygamy

25:10 Prostitution or polygamy?

42:45 Brigham Young’s reasons for polygamy

50:00 Polygamy required for exaltation?

59:50 Erastus Snow: a woman’s lord is her husband?

1:02:20 Heber C. Kimball: thousands of wives!

1:03:50 Brigham Young: monogamy is no part of heaven

1:09:30 Brigham Young: polygamy for moral salvation of world

1:11:15 Joseph F. Smith: polygamy essential for highest blessings

1:16:00 George Q. Cannon: few righteous men, so we need polygamy?

1:18:00 Bloodlines

1:19:29 Q12, John Taylor: polygamy necessary to salvation

1:32:51 Brian Hales' narrative destroys faith

1:34:25 Final thoughts