247: The Deeper State

Subscribe for full episode The MAGA attack on government jobs, takeover of government agencies, and purge of supposed “DEI” and “woke” professionals has a long history in the US. Julian uses old-timey newsreels, biographies, and events in the public record to trace the lines from 1919 to today, making stops at the so-called Red Summer’s “race riots,” Red Scare communist panics, Hollywood Blacklist, and Lavender Scare that fired thousands for being presumed gay. Unrelated to any of this completely useless and repressive paranoid bigotry, actual Soviet spies were being apprehended and prosecuted—even then everything was not on the level. The prosecutors had their own hidden skeletons and shady bedfellows, even as they claimed the patriotic moral high ground. At the heart of this history is a lineage of men who never let truth get in the way of gaining, and wielding, power and cruelty. Julian uncovers a surprisingly direct lineage of dirty-tricks demagogue succession, from Woodrow Wilson to A. Mitchell Palmer, to J. Edgar Hoover, to Joe McCarthy, to Roy Cohn, to Roger Stone, to our current president. Editorial Note: The Paul Robeson clip that starts the episode is a re-enactment by James Earl Jones for the Zinn Education Project. It uses the transcript of Robeson’s 1956 appearance before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10 Mars 6min

MAHA's response to the measles outbreak has been horrific, though expectable. Yet RFK Jr's op-ed, in which he advocated for the MMR vaccine, ripped apart his coalition—briefly. Derek looks at the responses to Bobby's moment of clarity, then contemplates what MAHA really wants now that their champion is the bureaucracy. Show Notes Dr Jessica Knurick’s video Vitamin A For Measles: Kevin Klatt Measles is not a harmless illness — complications include brain damage, immune amnesia, and death Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

8 Mars 29min

Former "race realist" Richard Hanania recently published an article on The Free Press claiming that all those Nazi salutes the right is waving high in the sky is really "just trolling." Derek disagrees. Show Notes Enough — John Ganz I Can Explain Why the Nazi Salute Is Back — Richard Hanania Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

3 Mars 5min

Is life worse for women now than in the 1950s? In a recent interview for The Free Press, author Louise Perry and journalist Bari Weiss muse on just how much women have lost since premarital sex was normalized, the pill reduced sex to consequence-free hedonism, and Roe v Wade rendered abortion as common as going to the dentist. Perry calls this “re-paganization,” delivering an eloquent longing for a lost golden age of female subservience as Weiss nods along and smiles. It’s all very heterodox. Or is it? No mention of the impacts of Project 2025, the dangerous ascendancy of Christian Nationalism, or the deadly crisis of women’s health in full swing. Julian analyses their conversation to pinpoint how digital new media dresses up traditionalist right-wing talking points as if they’re open-minded, edgy, and brave intellectual insights. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Mars 35min

Trump has decreed it’s the Gulf of America, and Google agrees, at least for US users. Rep Buddy Carter has introduced HR 1161, the Red White and Blueland Act of 2025 to rename Greenland. And then, of course, there's making Canada the 51st state. Pay attention to shit like this: it's a magic spell. Trump is speaking in the old language of the Discovery Doctrine. That’s what we’ll excavate today. Show Notes Zizian Killing Spree and Arrests Zizian leader denied bail Roko’s Basilisk and Zizian beliefs/practices Feb 2023 Community Alert about Ziz on Less Wrong Project 2025 Observer Native America, Discovered and Conquered: Thomas Jefferson, Lewis and Clark, and Manifest Destiny — Richard J Miller Trump calls Canada a 'very serious contender' to become 51st state  H.R.1161 - 119th Congress (2025-2026): Red, White, and Blueland Act of 2025  DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM Aime Cesaire Translated by Joan Pinkham  Biography - Burnum Burnum - Indigenous Australia  The fight to 'free' the Aboriginal flag Common Methods of Annexation | Snohomish County, WA Doctrine of Discovery: How the 500-year-old Catholic decree encouraged colonization  Speech Acts (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)  Mexico's President Sheinbaum threatens to take legal action over the Gulf name change : NPR  How Canada planned to invade the U.S. (and vice versa)  Poilievre says Canada is broken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

27 Feb 1h 3min

What do we worry more about: the far-right beliefs of trolls, or the coding skills of the trolls?  The split focus on Marco Elez and Elon Musk—are they Nazis, or hackers, or Nazi hackers?— highlight two prongs of emergent fascism. The ideological/aesthetic/psychological on one side, and the technocratic on the other. We can call them the manners and the machine.  First, Matthew unpacks a century-old thesis by an OG fascist that says totalitarian regimes take shape when both are working together, but that ultimately, the coup d’etat is about seizing control of the machine.  Then he rounds off with a rant about how easy it is liberal-centrist discourse about manners to distract from the reality of the machine. Why? It’s because in the absence of a clear analysis of how capital and power work—it’s in the sphere of manners—that liberals feel they have a fighting chance. But it’s also exactly where Musk and Elez and Vance and Trump can ignore them. Show Notes A Doomed Democracy | STANFORD magazine  The October Revolution - Introduction | Marx Memorial Library  Alexander Kerensky Dies Here at 89 - The New York Times  Curzio Malaparte | Italian Author, Journalist & Politician | Britannica  Reading the Eccentric Italian Writer Who Tried to Cover Up His Fascism ‹ Literary Hub  Curzio Malaparte: The Illusion of the Fascist Revolution  The Californian Ideology  The Californian Ideology Personified - Truthdig  Cyberlibertarianism: The Right-Wing Politics of Digital Technology on JSTOR  175: Diagonalism (w/William Callison and Quinn Slobodian) — Conspirituality  Opinion | Don’t Believe Him - The New York Times  Welcome to Neokayfabe — Abraham Josephine Riesman // Writer   40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists — Spencer Sunshine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

24 Feb 6min

Education / Public service alert: Matthew critically reviews six books that define fascist eras and recount how they have been opposed. A kind of “here we are, now what?” episode that hopefully interrupts the doomscroll with the sobriety of some practical considerations. Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017) Robert Paxton, Anatomy of Fascism (2004) Paul Mason, How to Fight Fascism (2018) Mark Bray, Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook (2017) Curzio Malaparte: Technique de Coup d’Etat (1931) Spencer Sunshine: 40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists (2021) Formats range from popular nonfiction to academic history to pragmatic field guide. Politics range from liberal to anarchist. More feminist and non-white sources to be reviewed soon. Show Notes On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder  Timothy Snyder’s Bad History | City Journal  Robert O. Paxton - The Anatomy of Fascism  Is It Fascism? A Leading Historian Changes His Mind. - The New York Times  How to Stop Fascism  Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook   Curzio Malaparte - The Technique Of Revolution  40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists — Spencer Sunshine Joyful Militancy | The Anarchist Library  Let This Radicalize You | HaymarketBooks.org  Being Numerous: Essays on Non-Fascist Life — Natasha Lennard DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM Aime Cesaire Translated by Joan Pinkham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

22 Feb 35min