How Trump's tariff chaos is already changing global trade

How Trump's tariff chaos is already changing global trade

I'm talking to Evan Smith, who started Altana in 2019 because he predicted the first wave of globalized manufacturing and trade would end, and that companies would want new powerful tools to adapt their supply chains as the world grew more complex. Here in 2025, that looks like a pretty good bet — even if the way it's playing out is more stressful and chaotic than anyone really wants it to be. There are some big, unsettling ideas here, but talking about them directly and with clarity at least made me feel like I had a framework to understand the endless on-again, off-again news cycle on tariffs and trade. Links: Globalization 2.0 Manifesto | Altana The ‘giant sucking sound’ of NAFTA | The Conversation ‘Offensive Realism’: The never-ending struggle for power | American Diplomacy (2002) Foreign Affairs Big Mac I | NYT (1996) The end of the Golden Arches Doctrine | Financial Times Trump could scale back tariffs, Lutnick says | CNBC China joined rule-based trading system — then broke the rules | Politico Open Source and China: Inverting Copyright? | Wisconsin International Law Journal How the US lost out on iPhone work | NYT Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Recode Decode: Aaron Levie, Box CEO

Recode Decode: Aaron Levie, Box CEO

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11 Nov 201552min

Recode Decode: Sequoia Capital Chairman Sir Michael Moritz

Recode Decode: Sequoia Capital Chairman Sir Michael Moritz

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Recode Decode: Huffington Post Editor in Chief Arianna Huffington

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Recode Decode: Betaworks CEO and co-founder John Borthwick

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Recode Decode: Ericsson CEO Hans Vestberg

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Recode Decode: White House Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett

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Valerie Jarrett is one of President Obama's most trusted confidants, and by extension one of the most powerful people in Washington. She talks with Kara Swisher about the tech industry, gun control, Congress and more. Later, Walt Mossberg talks about TV and the Internet, and Kurt Wagner discusses the executive turnover at Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Recode Decode: Lenny newsletter co-founders Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner

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In a special hour-long interview with Kara Swisher, Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner talk about their new newsletter publication, Lenny. The duo behind HBO's "Girls" offer their thoughts on feminism, online harassment and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Recode Decode: Microsoft EVP Peggy Johnson

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