659. G. O. Turner on Crop Circles, UFOs/UAP & more!

After Project Blue Book was shut down in 1969, private UFO groups were the only organizations left in the U.S. that would take UFO reports, and the two biggest were the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. Donald Keyhoe was ousted as NICAP’s director just three days before the December 17, 1969, press release announcing Blue Book’s termination, and NICAP quickly became a shadow of its former self while APRO, run by its founders Jim and Coral Lorenzen, remained a formidable and influential organization. That same year, a group of APRO investigators living in the Midwest organized by Walt Andrus as the Tri State Study Group, decided on May 31st to branch off from APRO and operate as the Midwest UFO Network. This was in reaction to the Lorenzens’ move towards a more centralized management strategy seeking to direct all field investigations from their office in Tucson, Arizona. The Lorenzens, particularly Coral, who had a reputation for being contentious (she frequently took out her ire in the pages of the APRO Bulletin, and her earliest targets as far back as 1952 were Albert K. Bender and James W. Moseley) took the Midwestern group’s decision personally and held a grudge for years to come. The Midwest UFO Network soon outgrew its Midwestern boundaries and the name was changed to the Mutual UFO Network in 1973. A rivalry developed between the two, and this resulted in clashes when they happened to converge on a given case, and a prime example of this is the 1981 Cash-Landrum case. Read more →Part IIn last week’s blog, we began looking at documents that provide a behind the scenes look at the rivalry between the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization and the Mutual UFO Network. APRO was founded in 1952 by Coral and Jim Lorenzen and MUFON was founded in 1969 by members who split off from APRO amidst bad feelings. Things came to a head during the investigation of the 1981 Cash-Landrum incident. As it was reported to have taken place in Huffman, Texas, APRO handed the case over to the director of the Houston-based Vehicle Internal Systems Investigative Team, John Schuessler, who was also the deputy director of MUFON. Coral wrote an article one and a half years after the reported incident that was published in the June 1982 Vol 30, No. 6 APRO Bulletin headlined “Rumors Permeate Cash-Landrum Case” wherein she claimed to know that what witnesses Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and Colby Landrum saw was a “U.S. experimental aircraft.” She also insinuated that Schuessler, MUFON director Walt Andrus, and former Project Blue Book consultant and founding director of the Center for UFO Studies J. Allen Hynek were part of a cover-up as they all had ties to various government organizations. Schuessler responded with a five-page letter to Jim Lorenzen defending himself and pleaded that if APRO had real knowledge of what it was the witnesses saw, he should share it as all three witnesses, particularly Betty Cash, seemed to have suffered the effects of radiation poisoning. This week, we’ll begin with Coral’s response. Read more →

26 Apr 19min

In this episode of Podcast UFO, host Martin Willis dives deep into the mysterious world of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) and the tech that might be behind them — joined by cybersecurity expert Thom Hastings. With over 20 years in IT and a decade in security, Thom brings a hacker’s edge to the conversation. From red teaming and penetration testing to digging through cyber dumpsters for clues, his unconventional methods and curiosity have led him into the fascinating overlap between cybersecurity, and the search for truth about UFOs.Website: https://www.ufohackers.orgThis week's Blog by Charles Lear: https://podcastufo.com/a-1970-ufo-and-occupant-case-from-finland/Podcast UFO T-ShirtsSHOW NOTES

23 Apr 56min

In this live from California Podcast UFO exclusive, host Martin Willis sits down for a high-stakes, no-holds-barred conversation with UFO whistleblower Jason Sands and documentary filmmaker Darcy Weir. This interview marks the first time both men have appeared together since their public disagreement over Sands’ controversial claims.SHOW NOTES

9 Apr 50min

Professor Ted Peters teaches a fascinating summer course exploring the big questions about life beyond Earth! 🚀 In this special interview, Martin Willis visits him on location at his home to discuss the course and the mysteries of UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and the intersection of science, theology, and the humanities. 🔭Topics We’ll Explore: ✅ Are we alone in the universe? ✅ Do UFO sightings mean we are being visited? ✅ How do science and theology approach ufology? ✅ Ancient alien theories & abduction cases  ✅ The idea of extraterrestrials as celestial saviors ✅ Government disclosure on UFOs ✅ Student-led discussions on the future of ET studies Don’t miss this exclusive conversation and an opportunity to enroll in Professor Peters’ Enlightening Summer Course!SHOW NOTES

2 Apr 57min

Former CIA officer and whistleblower John Kiriakou offers a revealing look into the shadowy world of government secrecy, shedding light on topics that have long intrigued the public. Drawing from his extensive background in intelligence operations, Kiriakou provides insights into UAP crash retrieval programs, mysterious drone incursions, and the persistent efforts to keep these matters hidden from public knowledge. Kiriakou delves into his own personal UAP sighting, offering a unique perspective shaped by years of experience within classified government programs. He discusses what he went through, as the only CIA employee connected to its interrogation program to go to prison for basically whistleblowing on the use of waterboarding torture.SHOW NOTES

26 Mars 1h 1min

In this fascinating interview, longtime iconic UFOlogist Jacques Vallée discusses his recent publication, “Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles, The Journals of Jacques Vallee 2010–2019,” which led him on a deeper, independent field exploration of UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) cases across Brazil, Argentina, Europe, and Russia. Back in Silicon Valley, Vallée’s professional involvement with innovative business ventures continues to inspire new insights drawn from biology and information physics. He shares his perspectives on historical UAP crash retrievals, the current state of UAP research, and how the U.S. Government might be moving toward greater transparency regarding these phenomena.SHOW NOTES

26 Mars 57min

Retired Army special forces operator, Lt. Col. Dr. John Blitch, PhD — a former Green Beret, Special Forces officer, and DARPA scientist — shares shocking revelations on non-human intelligence, military encounters, and exotic technologies. He discusses his past, his connection through his dad on the UFO topic, and a mind blowing encounter while mountain biking, his optimism for humanity, and much more!This week's Blog: A ‘Typical’ UFO Abduction Account Before it was TypicalPodcast UFO MerchSHOW NOTES

19 Mars 1h 14min