EP 437- Coach Jay Stallings and NM Adam Weissbarth talk Chess Teaching, Chess in the Movies and The Challenges and Rewards of Running a Chess Business

This week we are joined by a legend of Norwegian Chess, GM Simen Agdestein. Simen was the first Norwegian Grandmaster, a childhood trainer of Magnus Carlsen, and is a nine-time champion of Norway, who holds the record of being both the country’s youngest and oldest national champion, after winning the title again this year at age 56. As if these feats weren’t impressive enough, at the time Simen was around his chess peak (#16 in the world) he was also a star football/soccer player, who played striker on Norway’s national team! With such an accomplished resume, one might think things have been easy for Simen, but that has been far from the case. As he discusses in our interview, injuries derailed his chess and football careers simultaneously, and SImen was forced to reassess everything. In our conversation, Simen shares what his vast life experience has taught him about life and chess improvement. Simen also discusses the current chess scene in Norway, and of course, tells plenty of stories about what it was like to coach a young Magnus Carlsen.  Thanks to our Presenting Chess Education Sponsors, Chessable.com Here are a few of their Magnus related courses:  Fight Like Magnus  Grind Like a GM  Magnus Carlsen: Endgame Virtuoso  You can check out my favorite courses here: You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/ 0:02- GM Agdestein reflects on his recent, record-setting National Championship. How does the feeling of this one compare to prior championship wins? How did he prepare for this one?  Mentioned: GM Judit Polgar’s Interview with GM Simen Agdestein, IM Elham Abdrlauf, GM Jonathan Speelman’s Chessbase column about Simen’s recent win, SImen’s book 15:00- How does Simen structure the chess study time at his famed chess institute for talented chess players? Mentioned: GM Aryan Tari, GM Magnus Carlsen, Magnus Carlsen on The Lex Fridman Podcast  22:00- What stood out about Magnus in his early years?  Mentioned: GM Torbjorn Ringdal Hansen 27:30- Patreon mailbag question: “Are the live TV broadcasts attracting new tournament players?”  31:30- How did Simen become a GM with so little chess infrastructure in Norway at the time?  35:00- Does Simen think he was more talented in chess or in football? 37:00- Simen tells how injuries derailed his football and chess careers simultaneously.  Mentioned: Chess.com’s Tarjei Svensen  44:00- Why did Simen turn down a lucrative professional football offer from the Turkish club Besiktas?  45:30- How did Simen recover from the physical and mental setbacks in his mid 20s? 49:00- When Simen reflects on his 20s does he think of chess or soccer first?  52:00- Why did Simen turn down a lucrative football contract with a Turkish pro club in his 20s?  55:00- What does SImen remember about a young Alexei Shirov coming to visit his house?  57:00- What was it like facing Kasparov?  1:00:00- What are Simen’s memories of Kasparov’s visit to Norway to work with Magnus at age 14?  1:04:00- More Magnus stories!  1:07:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What is the proper way to determine a world champion in chess?”  1:12:00- Why does Simen advise to “always take pieces?”    1:16:00- Thanks so much to Simen for joining the pod! You can learn more about his experience coaching Magnus in his book: https://www.amazon.com/Magnus-Carlsen-Became-Youngest-Grandmaster/dp/9056914375 And keep an eye out for the forthcoming book, Games and Goals by IM Atle Gronn. It should be available in English in 2024 If you would like to help support Perpetual Chess, you can do so here: https://www.patreon.com/perpetualchess Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

8 Aug 20231h 22min

After a lengthy hiatus, the book review series Chess Books Recaptured, returns to discuss another classic chess book. This time we discuss Chess for Zebras. Originally published in 2003, Zebras is a followup to Rowson’s classic first book The Seven Deadly Chess Sins. While the book has some tonal similarities to its predecessor, it is a bit more narrow in focus. My guest co-host is Law Professor David Franklin. (David also co-hosted our discussion of Seven Deadly Chess Sins) Like me, David is a fan of GM Rowson’s writing, although both of us have our quibbles with different parts of the book. All in all, though, we both find the book highly worthwhile. Key concepts discussed in the book (and on the podcast) include the difference between knowledge and skill in chess, the challenges of handling each color, and the underrated chess skill of “just being.” Tune in to find out more! Timestamps below:  Thanks to our Presenting Chess Education Sponsors, Chessable.com   Chess for Zebras Free Preview: https://www.chessable.com/chess-for-zebras-free-lesson/course/92638/ Chess for Zebras:  https://www.chessable.com/chess-for-zebras-thinking-differently-about-black-and-white/course/61560/ Check out my favorite courses here:  You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/ 02:00- Law Professor and USCF Expert David Franklin joins me. Why did he suggest this book? How is it different from GM Jonathan Rowson’s other chess classic, Seven Deadly Chess Sins?  Mentioned: Book Recap #14- Seven Deadly Chess Sins with David Franklin  04:30- How did Rowson choose the title, Chess for Zebras?  Mentioned: Chess for Tigers by Simon Webb, GM Rowson’s 2023 interview with Chessbase India   08:30- We discuss the major points and framework of the book, as well as the level of players who could most benefit from this book.  13:30- We discuss Part 1 of the book, which focuses on the challenges of adult chess improvement and the “knowledge-skill” gap.  Mentioned: Move First, Think Later by IM Willy Hendriks, The Best of Novice Nook  18:30- As a lawyer, does David think that aging effects his ability to practice law differently than his ability to play chess?  22:30- What is GM Rowson’s recommendation for acquiring skills as opposed to knowledge? Mentioned: IM Andras Toth  30:00- We discuss part 2, called “A Mental Toolkit for the Exponential Jungle”  Mentioned: GM Tony Miles, GM Johann Hjartarson, IM Dina Belenkaya  34:00- What does it mean to “keep it between the hedges”?  Mentioned: GM Michael Adams, GM Luke McShane, Mentioned Magnus and David Howell’s course: Grind Like a Super GM, Magnus’ Book Recommendations  40:00- Part 3- Thinking Colorfully About Black and White  Mentioned: Andras Adorjan, Mihai Suba’s Dynamic Chess Strategy, GM Vasilios Kotronias 52:00- We share a few more memorable quotes from the book Mentioned: The Moves That Matter  If you would like to help support Perpetual Chess, you can do so here: https://www.patreon.com/perpetualchess Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

4 Aug 20231h 4min

Perpetual Chess is back with a banger of a double episode. First up is chess superstar, GM Levon Aronian! Levon joined me from Spain after returning from the first season of the Global Chess League in Dubai. Levon reflected on the success of his championship-winning team, and we discussed why he thinks initiatives like this league are vital to the future health of chess. We then broadened the scope of our conversation, and Levon shared memorable stories about his humble beginnings and Armenia, and the lessons he had to learn when he shot to chess stardom in the mid 2000s. Lastly, Levon discusses his move to the U.S., his 2023 plans, and why he is not playing in the ongoing FIDE World Cup.  Following Lev, we are joined by Jagdish Mitra. Jagdish is Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Growth at Tech Mahindra, and served as Chairperson of the first season of The Global Chess League. Jagdish looked back on a successful first season, and discussed the ambitious plans and long term vision that the league has for upcoming years. Both interviews left me excited about the future of chess! You can find timestamps for all of the topics discussed below.  Thanks to our presenting chess education sponsors, Chessable. Here are some courses to check out: Techniques of Positional Play with GM Peter Heine Nielsen Lifetime Repertoires: Gawain Jones 1.e4 e5 100 Repertoires: Alekhine Defense by CM Vjekoslav Nemec  You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/ 4:00- GM Levon Aronian joins me from a park in Spain! How was Levon added as a last-second replacement to the Global Chess League? What sort of things does he usually negotiate before signing a contract to participate in an event?  Mentioned: Chess.com’s Dog-Themed Bots including Levon’s Famous Dog, Ponchik  10:00- What was it like to be in Dubai for the Global Chess League? 15:30- How can new players be incorporated into future Global Chess Leagues?  17:30- What steps are necessary to continue to grow chess and attract corporate sponsors?  Mentioned: Indian Express article by Amit Kamath 25:00- Levon’s scouting reports on Hikaru and Gukesh  26:30- Which young star is most likely to emerge as a world champion?  30:00- What was it like to play games for money to support his family as a kid?  36:00- Levon tells an amazing story of how Boris Gelfand taught him to treat chess professionally.  40:00- Why does Levon think chess has become increasingly professionalized? 41:30- Is Chess960 the solution to the over-abundance of opening theory?  Mentioned: GM Vladimir Kramnik, GM Boris Gelfand, GM Jan Timman  49:00- Is it true that Levon traveled in the cargo department of a plane to get to tournaments?  Mentioned: Sean Williams’ 2017 New Yorker feature on Levon Aronian, GM Melik Khachiyan  55:30- Patreon mailbag question: “What obstacles did Lev encounter in moving to the US?”   1:03:00- Will Levon write a book some day? Mentioned: GM Surya Ganguly’s “In Conversation with GM Levon Aronian” 1:08:30- What is Levon’s study routine? 1:09:00- Thanks to Levon for joining me!  1:11:00- Jagdish Mitra, the Chairperson of the Global Chess League joins the podcast! We begin by discussing the origins of the Global Chess League.  1:25:00- How did they decide on the unique format? 1:30:00- How will they acquire new players? How can teams foster allegiance with chess fans?  1:41:00- Thanks so much to Jagdish for sharing the vision behind the Global Chess League. Here is how you can keep up with it: Twitter: https://twitter.com/GCLlive?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1 Aug 20231h 44min

Fresh off of commentating the match for Chess.com, Award-Winning Podcaster, Author, and 2-time US Women's Champion Jen Shahade joined me to reflect on GM Ju Wenjun's dramatic comeback. Jen shares what it was like to cover the decisive Game 12, and describes the moment when she realized we might not be going to rapid tiebreaks after all. We also discuss the historical context of GM Ju Wenjun becoming just the 6th player to win the Women's World Championship 4 times or more. After discussing the match, we catch up with Jen on her many ongoing projects, and her upcoming book, Play Like a Champion. Finally, Jen reminisces about the life and legacy of Isabella Choko, the Holocaust survivor and French Women's Champion who Jen had the honor to meet and interview. As always, the timestamps of topics discussed can be found below. 0:01- We begin by discussing the entertaining and instructive clinching game. When did Jen realize we might see a decisive result?  Mentioned: Game 12,  J. Shahade-Perelshteyn 2003 10:00- Were the opening choices surprising?  Mentioned: GM Jovanka Houska, GM Judit Polgar, GM Daneil Naroditsky, GM Alexander Kosteniuk, GM Wei Yi   14:30- Should the prize fund be higher?  Mentioned: Norway Chess to Sponsor Women’s Tournament with Equal Prize Fund to Open 20:00- Who could be the next potential challenger to Ju Wenjun?  Mentioned: IM Alice Lee, GM Alexandra Goryachkina, GM Harika Dronavalli, GM Humpy Koneru, GM Lei Tingjie, IM Vaishili R.   22:00- Jen discusses her upcoming book, Play Like a Champion!  Mentioned: 700 Chess Problems by Edith Baird, FM Yosha Iglesias  27:00- Jen shares her memories of Isabella Choko who recently passed.  Mentioned: Ladies Knight Episode 33 with Isabella Choko  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

27 Juli 202335min

The FIDE World Cup is a unique, bi-annual tournament that is distinguished by its elimination format, its wide variety of time controls, and its significant prizes, both in terms of cash ($110,000 for first) and in the form of 3 spots that are awarded in the 2024 FIDE Candidates. This year’s edition starts Sunday, and I am joined by Chessable author, tournament organizer, chess superfan, and Twitter celebrity, Mr. Dodgy (Michael Duke) to preview the tournament. Mr. Dodgy and I share our “likes and dislikes” about the tournament and its format, discuss players we are excited to see, make feeble attempts at prognosticating the results, and discuss the FIDE Women’s World Cup, which runs concurrently and is also a star-studded tournament with spots in the Women’s Candidates on the line.  0:01- What is unique about this tournament? What notables are playing, and who is missing from the field?   0:07- Who will the commentators be?  09:30- We review the current state of the FIDE Candidates Cycle. More information here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_Tournament_2024 More information on the FIDE Circuit standings here: https://wcc.fide.com/ 15:00- What do we like about the FIDE World Cup?  Mentioned: GM David Howell, GM Christopher Yoo  26:00-Thanks to our presenting chess education sponsors, Chessable.com. Mr. Dodgy recommends Jan Gustafsson’s 1. E4 e5 course, and Ginger GM and IM Richard Palliser’s “Harry Attack” course.  https://www.chessable.com/the-harry-attack-fighting-kingside-fianchettos-after-1-d4/course/99939/ https://www.chessable.com/lifetime-repertoires-jan-gustafssons-1-e4-e5/course/28860/ You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/ 29:00- Dislikes- What are common critiques of the World Cup? Mentioned: Episode 149 with GM Robert Hungaski, GM Harikrishna, GM Hans Niemann,  48:00- Who are the pllayers we are excited to see? Mentioned: GM D. Gukesh, GM Erigaisi, GM Pragganandhaa, GM Gregory Kaidanov, GM Laurent Fressinet, GM Vincent Keymer  54:00- Why isn’t Alireza playing?  58:00- Predictions! Who will win the Open Section and who will emerge with the Candidates spots?  1:01:00- Who are we excited to see in the Women’s Event? Should it take place at the same time as the men’s event?  Mentioned: IM Eline Roebers, IM Oliwia Kiolbasa, IM Carissa Yip, IM Jennifer Yu, IM Teodora Injac  1:09:00- Predictions for the Women’s World Cup Mentioned: IM R. Vaishali, GM Alexandra Kosteniuk, GM Aleksandra Goryachkina  Thanks again to Mr. Dodgy for joining us! You can follow him on Twitter here: If you would like to help support Perpetual Chess, you can do so here https://www.patreon.com/perpetualchess Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25 Juli 20231h 23min

This week’s guest is the four-time U.S. women's champion and perennial US National Team Member WGM Anna Zatonskih. Anna joined me the week after her inspiring victory at the 2023 Cairns Cup to reflect on her standout performance. As Anna recounts, as the second to lowest seed in the tournament, most people had modest expectations for her, but despite self-doubt and busy life,  she nonetheless decided to prepare rigorously for the tournament and hoped to put her best foot forward. As it turned out, Anna not only won the tournament but unexpectedly secured her first Grandmaster norm at 44 years of age! Anna shares the advice that helped motivate her to double down on her study, how she went about studying, and she discusses how she plans to spend the $45,000 she won. We also discuss Anna’s emigration to the U.S. in 2002, her study regimen as a top youth player in Ukraine, and how she approaches teaching chess to her kids as a mom. I was so inspired by Anna’s story and I think that you will be as well! Timestamps of topics discussed can be found below:  Recorded June 21, 2023 Thanks to our presenting chess education sponsors, Chessable.com. You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/ 01:00- What was Anna’s mindset going into the Cairn’s Cup? How did she work on her game?  Mentioned: Vladmirov’s 1000 Chess Studies, GM Daniel Fridman  28:00- Does Anna have family members in Ukraine? What rules should FIDE have place for Russian players competing from different countries?  Mentioned: IM Irina Bulmaga’s Blog post  35:00- Patreon mailbag question: “How does Anna approach teaching chess to her own kids?”  38:00- How did Anna study chess as a child in the former Soviet Union?  40:00- How does Anna describe her  first days in the US in 2002?  45:00- Anna discusses her upcoming chess plans and life in Germany.  47:00-  Patreon mailbag question: “Should the “WGM” title have a different name?” Mentioned: Jen Shahade’s FAQ 52:00- What are Anna’s next chess plans?  Mentioned: Recognizing Your Opponent’s Resources  Thanks to Anna for sharing her story! If you would like to help support Perpetual Chess via Patreon, you can do so here: https://www.patreon.com/perpetualchess Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

18 Juli 202358min

After 6 games, the 2023 FIDE Women’s World Championship is closely contested. The challenger, GM Lei Tingjie leads the Champion, GM Ju Wenjun 3.5-2.5 as the players take a 2-day break to switch host cities. One of the top female players in the United States, WGM Begim Tokhirjonova joins me to share her thoughts on the match. Begim was the 2018 Uzbek Women’s Champion and is now a member of the U.S. National team and a student at the University of Missouri. She has been annotating the games for Chess Life Online, you can view her annotations here.  Thanks as always to Chessable for sponsoring Perpetual Chess! I forgot to mention in the podcast, but if you want to play the Italian game like Lei Tiangjie check out WGM Tatev Abrahmayan’s new course: The Italian Game: Inside & Out! You can check out some of my favorite courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/  0:01- WGM Begim Tokhirjonova joins the podcast. Begim joins and shares her perspective on the match and on the openings we have seen so far.  Mentioned: Cover Stories with Chess Life December 2022 (#49) 11:30- Begim discusses her experience playing both GM Lei Tiangjie and GM Ju Wenjun  13:30- Can either player make any stylistic adjustments other than switching openings?  17:30- Begim discusses her plans for her own chess career including her study plans and her upcoming tournaments.  Mentioned: How to Reassess Your Chess by IM Jeremy Silman . 26:00- Thanks so much to Begim for joining us! Here is how to keep up with her:  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/begim09/?hl=en Twitter:  begim09 https://twitter.com/Gulruhbegim Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

13 Juli 202329min

This week’s guests on Perpetual Chess are the award-winning co-authors and tournament chess players, Dr. Christopher Chabris and Dr. Daniel Simons. Dr. Chabris, of course, is a cognitive scientist, USCF Master, chess dad, and frequent guest on Perpetual Chess. Dr. Simons is a Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois-Urbana and a tournament chess player in his own right. Their excellent new book, Nobody’s Fool: Why We Get Taken in and What We Can Do About It is not exclusively about chess, but touches on the subject repeatedly,  and has many implications for our game. In our conversation, we talk about the book generally but also try to focus on “chess takeaways,” from the book material,  with a particular emphasis on the future of cheating in chess. Dr. Chabris has also been active on the tournament scene since we last spoke, so he shares a few fresh observations about chess improvement. I learned a lot both from the book and from our conversation, and I am confident that you will enjoy it.  0:00- Thanks to our presenting chess education sponsors, Chessable.com. Check out Anish Giri’s new course Lifetime Repertoires: Giri’s 1. E4 Part 3.   You can also see a list of my recommended courses here:   You can check out some of my recommended courses here: https://go.chessable.com/perpetual-chess-podcast/  0:00- What is misunderstood about “Growth Mindset”?  Mentioned: Chess Improvement, It's All in the Mindset, Episode 199 with Dr. Barry Hymer and GM Peter Wells  7:00- What is replication and why is it important for scientific studies? 12:00- What is “desirable difficulty?”  16:30- Dan and Chris discuss a famous chess study that they recreated on their own involving the ability of chess players of different levels to recall chess positions. Watch the video here: Memory for chess positions (featuring grandmaster Patrick Wolff) 24:00- Are there any studies of chess players that Dan and Chris would like to see done?  31:00- We have a  brief digression on how to deal with email scams, I was surprised by the advice given in Nobody’s Fool.  35:00- What can we do about cheating in chess?  Mentioned: FM Nate Solon’s article Beating Hikaru https://zwischenzug.substack.com/p/beating-hikaru More info on Apple Vision Pro: https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/ 48:00- Chris Chabris just played in two tournaments. What were his chess observations and conclusions?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

11 Juli 20231h 2min