1164: Julian Fisher | How to Think Like a Spy

Spies use psychology to recruit traitors and build deep connections. Here, former spy Julian Fisher reveals the authentic art of strategic influence.

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What We Discuss with Julian Fisher:

• Authenticity is paradoxical in espionage. Spies must be genuine people to build real trust, yet they also lie about their identity. This contradiction requires exceptional self-awareness and emotional intelligence.
• Quality relationships beat quantity networking. Meaningful connections with targeted individuals who can help achieve specific goals are far more valuable than collecting hundreds of superficial contacts.
• Personality profiling reveals deeper insights. Understanding someone's background, struggles, and journey tells you more about who they really are than just their job title or surface-level information.
• Preparation and homework create connection. Researching someone's interests and referencing them naturally (like Julian's football gambit in Zimbabwe) can instantly shift dangerous situations into opportunities.
• Walk to important meetings for mental clarity. A 20-minute walk before crucial conversations clears mental baggage, stimulates creativity, and helps you arrive fully present and focused.
• And much more...

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