#356 - Mr. NHI, Lalit Choda, on Securing the Exploding World of NHI

#356 - Mr. NHI, Lalit Choda, on Securing the Exploding World of NHI

Join Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman on the Identity at the Center podcast as they welcome Lalit Choda, founder and CEO of the Non-Human Identity Management Group. Lalit, also known as "Mr. NHI," shares his journey from investment banking to becoming a leading expert in non-human identities. This episode delves into the critical and often overlooked world of NHI, exploring why it's such a hot topic now, the challenges practitioners face in managing these identities, and how to approach the problem from a risk-based perspective. Lalit discusses the limitations of traditional PAM and IGA tools for NHI, the importance of foundational controls, and the alarming implications of AI on non-human identity management. Plus, hear a fun segment about vinyl records and some surprising finds!

Chapter Timestamps:00:00:00 - Introduction to Lalit Choda and the NHI Community00:02:31 - Welcome to the Identity at the Center Podcast & IdentiVerse Discussion00:06:18 - Lalit Choda's Identity Origin Story: From Mr. SOX to Mr. NHI00:12:03 - Why Non-Human Identities Are a Big Deal Right Now00:15:37 - Defining NHI and the Practitioner's Framework00:19:13 - The Scale and Challenges of NHI Management00:23:01 - New Types of NHI and Tooling Limitations00:27:12 - The Lack of a Single Source of Truth for NHI00:33:57 - Prioritizing NHI Management and the Role of PAM00:38:58 - A Risk-Based Approach to NHI and Foundational Controls00:48:15 - What Scares Lalit Most About NHI (and AI)00:50:54 - Lalit's Impressive Vinyl Collection00:56:38 - Jim and Jeff's First, Best, and Favorite Albums01:01:15 - The Intersection of Music and Non-Human Identities01:02:00 - Wrapping Up & Where to Find More Information

Connect with Lalit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lalit-choda-5b924120/

Non-Human Identity Management Group: https://www.nhimg.org/

Connect with us on LinkedIn:

Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/

Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/

Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com

Keywords:Lalit Choda, Non-Human Identity, NHI, Machine Identity, Workload Identity, Identity Management, Cybersecurity, PAM, IGA, Privilege Access Management, Identity Governance and Administration, Secrets Management, Cloud Security, AI, Artificial Intelligence, DevSecOps, Risk-Based Approach, Identity Security, Service Accounts, Identity at the Center, IDAC, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, IdentiVerse, Vinyl Collection, Podcast, Mr. NHI

#idac #nonhumanidentity #machineidentity #cybersecurity #identityaccessmanagement #IAM #infosec #digitalidentity #workloadsecurity #devsecops #cloudsecurity #privilegedaccessmanagement #identitygovernance #zerotrust #nhi #mrnhi

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#224 - Exploring the Latest Trends and Developments in IAM with David Lee, The Identity Jedi

#224 - Exploring the Latest Trends and Developments in IAM with David Lee, The Identity Jedi

In this episode of the Identity at the Center Podcast, Jim and Jeff talk with David Lee, the Identity Jedi, about the latest trends and developments in IAM. They discuss how David got into IAM, The Identity Jedi newsletter, and his recently published book. They also pick his brain about a range of topics, including ITDR, Microsoft's work with Entra, Thoma Bravo's collection of Digital Identity companies, and the hottest technologies in the IAM space. The episode ends on a lighter note, with a discussion about the color of David's Identity Jedi lightsaber. Tune in to find out which color he chooses! Connect with David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/identityjedi/ Check out David’s book “The Only One In The Room: The Unwritten Rules of Being Black In Tech”: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-only-one-in-the-room-david-lee/1143684588?ean=9781312534155 The Identity Jedi: https://www.theidentityjedi.com/ Authenticate Conference: Use code IDAC15PODCAST for 15% off your registration fees. Learn more about the Authenticate conference: https://authenticatecon.com/event/authenticate-2023/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

31 Juli 20231h 6min

#223 - CIAM with Cassio Sampaio of Okta

#223 - CIAM with Cassio Sampaio of Okta

In this episode of the Identity at the Center podcast, Jim and Jeff talk to Cassio Sampaio, who runs product for Customer Identity at Okta. They discuss CIAM, which stands for Customer Identity and Access Management, and its importance in today's digital landscape. They cover topics such as the difference between CIAM and traditional employee-focused identity and access management, self-service, common challenges businesses face when implementing a CIAM capability, the role of artificial intelligence and machine learning in CIAM, and the future of CIAM. Cassio also gives advice to businesses that are just starting to explore implementing a CIAM solution. The episode ends on a lighter note with all three recommending non-IT books for listeners to check out to help them with their IAM or professional lives. Connect with Cassio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csampaio/ Learn more about Okta: https://www.okta.com/ Okta Secure Sign-In Trends Report: https://www.okta.com/blog/2023/06/secure-sign-in-trends-report/ Introducing Auth0 CRAPTCHAs!: https://auth0.com/blog/introducing-auth0-craptchas/ The Password Game: https://neal.fun/password-game/ Thinking Fast and Slow (book recommendation): https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555 Outliers: The Story of Success (book recommendation): https://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017930 One Minute Manager (book recommendation): https://www.amazon.com/Minute-Manager-Kenneth-Blanchard-Ph-D/dp/074350917X Authenticate Conference: Use code IDAC15PODCAST for 15% off your registration fees. Learn more about the Authenticate conference: https://authenticatecon.com/event/authenticate-2023/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

24 Juli 20231h 17min

#222 - Identity Standards with Justin Richer of Bespoke Engineering

#222 - Identity Standards with Justin Richer of Bespoke Engineering

On this episode of the Identity at the Center podcast, Jim and Jeff are joined by Justin Richer, Security & Standards Architect and Founder of Bespoke Engineering. Justin shares how he got into IAM and his book, "OAuth2 in Action". He also introduces "Cards Against Identity" and discusses how OIDC would be different if it were written anew today. The conversation turns to GNAP (Grant Negotiation and Authorization Protocol) and closes with a question from listener Markus about “trust in HR” and implementing automation being more of a political issue than a technical one. Tune in to hear this fascinating conversation! Connect with Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinricher/ Learn more about Bespoke Engineering: https://bspk.io/ Why CSCW Applications Fail: Problems in the Design and Evaluation of Organizational Interfaces - https://www.cs.uml.edu/~holly/teaching/91550/spring2012/p85-grudin.pdf Book - OAuth2 in Action: https://www.manning.com/books/oauth-2-in-action GNAP: https://oauth.net/gnap/ Cards Against Identity: http://www.cardsagainstidentity.com Gridlock Boston: https://bspk.io/games/gridlock/ Checkout Psycliq: https://psycliq.com/ The Precious Cinnamon Roll: https://www.theonion.com/beautiful-cinnamon-roll-too-good-for-this-world-too-pu-1819576048 Authenticate Conference: Use code IDAC15PODCAST for 15% off your registration fees. Learn more about the Authenticate conference: https://authenticatecon.com/event/authenticate-2023/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

17 Juli 20231h 29min

#221 - Identity Orchestration with Eric Olden of Strata Identity

#221 - Identity Orchestration with Eric Olden of Strata Identity

Jim and Jeff discuss identity orchestration with Eric Olden, CEO at Strata Identity. They cover how it decouples apps from IAM infrastructure, the concept of identity fabric, and examples of IAM orchestration. They also explore how organizations start with orchestration and how it is driven by multi-cloud and legacy systems. Finally, they discuss how AI will impact orchestration. Connect with Eric: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boughtnotsold/ Learn more about Strata Identity: https://www.strata.io/ Authenticate Conference: Use code IDAC15PODCAST for 15% off your registration fees Learn more about the Authenticate conference: https://authenticatecon.com/event/authenticate-2023/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

10 Juli 20231h 2min

#220 - IAM Evolution Continuum with Martin Kuppinger of KuppingerCole Analysts AG

#220 - IAM Evolution Continuum with Martin Kuppinger of KuppingerCole Analysts AG

Jim talks with Martin Kuppinger, Founder and Principal Analyst at KuppingerCole, about the evolution of digital identity. They discuss highlights from the 2023 European Identity and Cloud Conference (EIC), as well as topics such as decentralized identity, identity verification, and authorization. Connect with Martin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinkuppinger/ Learn more about KuppingerCole: https://www.kuppingercole.com/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

3 Juli 202358min

#219 - Identiverse 2023: Identiverse Themes with Ian Glazer of Weave Identity

#219 - Identiverse 2023: Identiverse Themes with Ian Glazer of Weave Identity

Jim and Jeff talk with Ian Glazer, Founder and President of Weave Identity, about the themes and topics of the Identiverse 2023 conference. Connect with Ian: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iglazer/ Weave Identity: https://weaveidentity.com/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

26 Juni 20231h 8min

#218 - Identiverse 2023: *BAC with Gal Helemski of PlainID

#218 - Identiverse 2023: *BAC with Gal Helemski of PlainID

Jim and Jeff talk with Gal Helemski, Co-Founder & Chief Product Officer at PlainID, about the role, attribute, and policy-based access controls. Connect with Gal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gal-helemski-b9542231 Learn more about PlainID: https://www.plainid.com/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

19 Juni 202351min

#217 - Identiverse 2023: The Expanding Scope of Identity with Andre Durand of Ping Identity

#217 - Identiverse 2023: The Expanding Scope of Identity with Andre Durand of Ping Identity

Jim and Jeff talk with Andre Durand, Founder & CEO of Ping Identity about a wide range of topics that include the expanding scope of identity, AI, authorization, and go-kart racing. Connect with Andre: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andredurand/ Learn more about Ping: https://www.pingidentity.com/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com and follow @IDACPodcast on Twitter.

12 Juni 202357min

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