Alan Waxman - Building Sixth Street - [Invest Like the Best, EP.433]

This week's conversation is about performance. More specifically, it is about the ins and outs of steady progress and growth. My guest is Brad Stulberg who coauthored the book Peak Performance, which combines research from many fields into a description of how athletes, creatives and others continue to push boundaries in their respective crafts. As someone who is intermittently lazy, the growth equation framework that Brad and I explore has impacted me often since I first read the book several months ago. I hope you enjoy this conversation, which isn't about investing, but which is, at its heart, still about the power of compounding.    Books Referenced Outliers: The Story of Success Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise   Online References Jool Health   Show Notes 1:32 – (First question) – How Vick Stretcher influenced the book, Peak Performance 4:32 – Looking at some of the preliminary research at the science of purpose 7:58 – The idea of a growth equation and the components that can lead to success 11:47 – How the introduction of stress can help in all sorts of creative and entrepreneurial pursuits. 13:39 – The ratio between physical and mental as an impact on this formula 14:56 – Just manageable challenges and the role that they play in the growth equation 18:06 – The idea of just manageable challenges through the example of an athlete 22:19 – Favorite example of a crazy feat of physical performance, stress on older athletes operating at high levels 23:30 – Thoughts about outside influences like mentors/coaches and how they help high performance individuals advance 25:51 – Describe catabolic and anabolic states and why anabolic is so important 29:13 – How the relationship of catabolic and anabolic states also helps the mind 30:47 – How does the idea of practice play into the growth equation 32:49 – Exploring the nuances of practice and why you don’t go all out             32:56 – Outliers: The Story of Success 33:00 - Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise 34:24 – The idea of designing of a day 42:06 – What role can environment play on us 43:40 – How far is it healthy to run 46:25 – How does ego play into all of this 48:06 – The idea of camaraderie and study of Air Force Cadets highlighting this 49:28 – Fatigue and why it is believed to happen in the mind and not the body 54:00 – Most memorable day 55:43 - Method for finding purpose             56:29 – Jool Health 58:26 – Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Brad   Learn More For more comprehensive show notes on this episode go to http://investorfieldguide.com/brad For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast. To get involved with Project Frontier, head to InvestorFieldGuide.com/frontier. Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag

8 Aug 20171h 3min

Several weeks ago my conversation with Leigh Drogen on quant investing proved timely and popular--because everyone in asset management is facing the rise of big data, and the use of data science in investing strategies. Because of the rise of quants, many are asking themselves how to survive and thrive in a changing industry. In short, how can traditional managers compete with quants? This second conversation with Leigh was set up to answer many of the questions posed in the first one. If quants are taking over, what should other investors do about it? Leigh proposes a method by which old school asset managers can restructure their thinking and their process to compete with and even beat purely quantitative competitors. The method involves pulling the best from both worlds and combining them into a hybrid structure. But it will be impossible without a wholesale change in mindset, which is where we begin. Please enjoy round two with Leigh Drogen.   Links Referenced Revenge of the Humans Part II: A New Blueprint For Discretionary Management   Show Notes 2:14 – (First question) –  What role will ego and mindset play for traditional hedge funds looking to transition into quantitative investing strategies 4:21 – Describes the traditional process that hedge funds use to make investment decisions and how the internal politics can hamper it 6:08 – What value has portfolio managers played at hedge funds traditionally as the quarterback of a fund 9:57 – A look at what Leigh has seen as he sits with teams 12:20 – A look at places that have tried to simply add quant to their firm’s strategies without “tearing it down to the studs” and properly integrating them into the process 15:00 – Leigh is asked to define the basics of a good investment firm’s strategies 16:57 – Strategies for writing down core beliefs, whether it’s for yourself or your firm 17:49 – Exploring the second step, finding a differentiating view and how to succeed with it. 21:43 – The importance of force ranking and structuring the unstructured 26:14 – Building factor models 29:42 – How the portfolio manager position should have less room for subjectivity than at the analyst level 33:44 – Is anyone integrating this kind of high level data at the portfolio manager level into the decision making the way Leigh describes 35:07 – What blind spots are created by systematizing their processes 36:18 – Why much of this applies more to shorter and structured periods 38:23 – Shifting to portfolio constructions and what Leigh would do to create the right mix 43:39 – Shifting to management structures in these firms starting with the role of the CIO 45:24 – Looking at the different quant roles that exist in a firm and what they should be responsible for; data engineers, data analysts, pure quants, and quantitative engineer 48:20 – If you are an undergrad or grad student right now interested in asset management, what are the roles you should be thinking about targeting 49:25 – Why communication skills are still so important, no matter what role you are in 50:25 – With all of the tools and skills that Leigh has at his disposal at Estimize, why not institute an active strategy 52:01 – What has Leigh observed in the dispersion of skill in the Estimized data set 53:47 – What is the relationship between specialization and accuracy among funds 55:29 – The pros and cons of the generalist 56:56 – A look at Leigh’s background into War Theory and what lessons that he still draws on today 1:00:19 – How the field of study around war and battle relates to the investing world   Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  For complete shownotes, go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/leigh.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag

1 Aug 20171h 6min

My guest this week is a version of me—a funnier, cooler version who has a PhD and served as an active duty marine. Lots of you will already be familiar with Wes Gray, and those of you who are not are in for a treat. Wes is the founder of Alpha Architect, a firm which manages quantitative equity strategies for clients using factors like value and momentum. He also advocates for a more concentrated, pure approach to factor investing, which listeners know is music to my ears. While we share a lot of the same views on markets and investing, you will still find this refreshing. The conversation was easy to structure--I just took all the questions clients and prospective investors always ask of me and my firm, and turned them on Wes. These range from very specific questions on quant investing to big existential ones. I listened to this on a long drive home and laughed out loud in the car at least 5 times. You are going to love it all. I close this introduction by offering you an opportunity which is not for the faint of heart. On September 16th, I will be joining Wes and his crew on a 28-mile trek called “March for the Fallen” which is a small but important way of honoring those who have given their lives in service of our country. Wes and I invite you to join as well. If you are interested, check out the post on Wes’s site with all the details. I will link to it in the shownotes at investorfieldguide.com/wes. If you are still interested, then email me with the subject heading “March for the Fallen.” I told you Wes is a much cooler version of me, and true to form he will be doing the hike with a 40-pound rucksack. I will be doing the version without a rucksack. Either way, it will be a day of comradery and remembrance that we won’t soon forget. Join us.   Books Referenced The Devil Dogs at Belleau Wood: U.S. Marines in World War I Thinking, Fast and Slow   Online References The Limits of Arbitrage   Show Notes 3:07 – (First question) – Exploring the mindset that is ingrained into Marines 3:16 – The Devil Dogs at Belleau Wood: U.S. Marines in World War I 5:27 – Most memorable experience growing up in the mountains of Colorado 6:29 – What experiences in the military have transferred to what Wes sees in the public markets 6:48 – Thinking, Fast and Slow 7:51 – Wes’s first foray into stocks 10:51 – What was the transition into the quantitative investing space 12:29 – How Wes would describe quantitative investing and what the landscape looks like today 17:10 – What is the nature of the strategies Wes uses, like high-frequency and market-making, and what makes them stand out in those 20:57 – What about the human capital arms race in this space and how different firms are attracting the top talent 23:21 – What the approach is for Wes and what his research suggests is the best predictor of performance in stocks 25:36 – Wes’s approach to portfolio construction 33:19 – What is the thinking behind the number of and the size of names in the QVAL ETF 36:20 – Why the data suggests momentum is the better pick 37:36 – Why price-to-book sucks relative to other value factors 39:55 – What things worry Wes about the future of this strategy 44:39 – How does Wes think about research and what to explore next. 50:05 – Who would Wes have manage his money since he thinks Vanguard is not the best choice 57:01 – Exploring his firm Alpha Architect, how it started and has evolved since launch 57:39 – The Limits of Arbitrage 1:08:15 – How the influx of people to passive investments are impacting the overall market, especially for active investment strategies 1:13:13 – Wes’s most memorable day of his career both in the military and as an investor 1:17:19– Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Wes     Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag

25 Juli 20171h 23min

My guest this week is Rishi Ganti, who invests in what he calls esoteric assets. I'm not sure what to do other than laugh in amazement at his professional credentials -- PhD in economics, CFA, CPA, lawyer, speaks six languages, and so on. The best part is he isn't lording those over anyone and in fact casts some shade on the whole idea of credentials in our conversation. He just did it all because he's a learning fiend. Rishi's core idea about markets is this: avoid markets at all costs. As he explains off the bat, the minute there are multiple buyers for anything, prices get efficient very quickly and there opportunity to find alpha shrinks. Instead he searches for what esoteric assets: things without a market, orphaned assets that require high human capital and human touch. We explore several interesting examples, from charter school financing to A stark realization I had during he episode is how big the worlds asset base is. Almost all of our attention goes to the most highly refined ones: stocks and bonds. But there is a whole other world out there. The closing sections, on what Rishi would do if not investing, and his answer for the kindest thing anyone has done for him were among the best answers I've heard.   Show Notes 3:30 – (First question) – Rishi’s broad take on markets and whether or not he really likes them 5:30 – Defining esoteric markets 8:31 – Looking at the mountain of assets that are most impacted or made most efficient by markets and how Rishi describes each level of that pyramid 12:28 – Looking at an esoteric asset at the early part of Rishi’s career 16:23 – Why is there little competition in these types of investment opportunities 23:06 – How they created a market and turned an esoteric asset into a return opportunity, starting with the charter school funding example 31:54 – Looking at how this is done internationally 38:55 – What they consider a platform 41:08 – How they are able to provide their service and skirt the government, legally 44:18 – A simplified explanation of what Orthogon does 50:30 – What are the main reasons people don’t want to go down this road since it seems like an obvious choice 59:00 – Looking at the most memorable experiences in esoteric investing 1:01:10 – What value has Rishi found in his extensive education, credentials, and certifications 1:07:31 – Another topic that Rishi finds interesting and he’d want to lecture on if he could other than investing. 1:09:48 – What is the right formula and types of goals you should consider in planning your life 1:14:39 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Rishi Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag

18 Juli 20171h 20min

I am drawn to a group of investors that I call practitioner philosophers. These are people who have gotten their hands dirty in their respective fields, but despite being doers, they still often sit back and ponder the big questions in business and life. My guest this week is one such practitioner philosopher, NYC based venture capitalist Jerry Neumann. I came across Jerry's essays a year ago, and he is on a very short list of writers whose work I read without fail and almost always more than once. You can think about this conversation on business, investing, and venture capital as a big funnel. We start very broad, discussing where we may be in a large 70-year economic cycle. We then break down the so-called power law which seems to govern venture capital returns and business outcomes. Then we get even more specific, discussing Jerry's process for evaluating early stage companies, and the particulars of what might make a good venture capitalist. I say "might" because as Jerry explains often, nothing is certain, and luck may always play a huge role. I just loved this conversation. It is the type that without the podcast as an excuse would be a very odd and intense one if I were just meeting someone for the first time. You'll find no small talk or even medium talk here. This is a meaty discussion with one of the smartest and most straightforward people I've come across.   Books Referenced Carlotta’s Perez - Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital: The Dynamics of Bubbles and Golden Ages Thomas Hughes – Networks of Power: Electrification in the Western Society, 1880 – 1930 Frank Knight – Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit Jeffrey West - Scale: The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies   Links Referenced Deployment Age Oswald Spangler About Men; Corporate Man Howard Mark’s 2x2 matrix of superior investment results Michael E. Porter - How Competitive Forces Shape Strategy DJ Teece: Profiting from Technological Innovation Porter’s Five Forces   Show Notes 3:27 – (First question) – Start with Jerry’s essay the Deployment Age and a look at what it means for where we sit today (looking forward as investors)? 3:40 - Deployment Age 4:26 - Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital: The Dynamics of Bubbles and Golden Ages 9:28 – What time in history can you compare our current deployment age to and what does that say about the next 10, 20, and 30 years? 9:40 – Oswald Spangler 11:09 – About Men; Corporate Man 18:06 - Networks of Power: Electrification in the Western Society, 1880 – 1930 20:40 - What lessons should venture capitalists make from these deployment age cycles 25:27 - Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit 26:50 – Howard Mark’s 2x2 matrix of superior investment results 32:56 – Nassim Taleb: Powerlaw 42:31 – Venture Follow-on and the Kelly Criterion (Jerry's Blog) 44:34 - How have you have actually done this, Jerry? What is your process like and your focuses? 54:00 – Are there any circumstances where it is wise for friends and family to make venture investments? 59:20 - What is this idea of who profits from innovations? 56:12 - DJ Teece: Profiting from Technological Innovation 1:02:57 – Understanding complimentary assets 1:05:06 - Porter’s Five Forces 1:09:24 - Are Augmented and Virtual Reality interesting areas for venture capital and why? 1:15:28– What makes a successful venture capitalist? What makes you special? 1:26:03 – Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Jerry   Learn More For comprehensive show notes on this episode go to http://investorfieldguide.com/jerry For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast. To get involved with Project Frontier, head to InvestorFieldGuide.com/frontier. Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag

11 Juli 20171h 30min

A future guest just told me, every band has a song about being in a band, so today I give you my version. I won’t do this often, and only do it this week in case listenership drops due to the holiday—I didn’t want any guest to have a smaller than normal audience. I have now been doing this for almost one year, and have learned a tremendous amount. Since the whole idea behind the show is to learn in public, I am going to share a few of the lessons I’ve learned with you today. I’ll shape it as a top ten list, which ends with a fun story about my recent dinner with Warren Buffett. You’ll notice that many of these are just good business and life lessons applied to something specific: a podcast. I hope you can pull the essence of one or more of these and change how you do things, especially if you create any sort of content as part of your job.

5 Juli 201720min

If you told me a year ago that I’d be learning critical life and business lessons from the founder of a ketchup company, and that thirty to fifty thousand people would listen to our conversation, well, I’d have told you that’s impossible. But the fact that it is true proves many of the points laid out by this week’s guest Scott Norton, co-founder of Sir Kensington’s which was recently acquired by Uni-Lever. Sir Kensington’s, which makes “condiments with character” is no ordinary Ketchup company, and Scott is no ordinary founder. We talk about the most elemental aspects of business: product, relationships, sales, marketing, and culture. I love that we can do so through the lens of such a seemingly simple product, something that we use all the time with our families at a BBQ. Scott’s observations on culture, the importance of relationships in sales, and competitive edge are all memorable. But above all, I’ll remember his line: seek to learn that which cannot be taught. And I will continually return to the mental image of the Temple of Poseidon. Oh, and as a bonus we also talk about biking around Asia, which like all of Scott’s stories comes complete with thought provoking lessons. Enjoy this unique conversation with one of the most interesting people I’ve met on this journey. We begin with the history of ketchup.   For comprehensive show notes on this episode go to http://investorfieldguide.com/norton For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast. Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag   Links Referenced They Call Me Supermensch: A Backstage Pass to the Amazing Worlds of Film, Food, and Rock’n’Roll (Movie)   Books Referenced Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In How to Win Friends & Influence People They Call Me Supermensch: A Backstage Pass to the Amazing Worlds of Film, Food, and Rock’n’Roll (Book)   Show Notes 2:40 – (First question) – A look at the history of ketchup 5:16 – The milestones of ketchup’s history in the US 10:26 – What were the early days like to compete in a market where the leaders have such a stronghold on the consumer 14:41 – Effective ways to negotiate 14:57 – Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In 16:32 – How may stages were there in the early products 19:04 – A look at kaizen and what it means to Scott 20:38 – Scandinavian business principles that they bring to the company 23:40 – As the company has grown, has Scott seen downsides to the stakeholder model especially when competing against larger companies that use the shareholder model 28:19 – How did they use outside capital in getting started 31:07 – What was the most memorable story from the early days of disrupting this legacy industry, especially as it relates to the sales of this product  33:30 – How to Win Friends & Influence People 33:58 – How do you create trust and show the benefits of your product in sales 37:48 – How culture started for the company, how it’s shifted since then and what competitive advantage the right culture creates 41:47 – Some of the best outcomes are the result of mindset and culture 43:28 – What new frontiers is Scott and the company looking at today 51:41 – The power of giving and how it will bring large returns, especially when you don’t expect them as part of the giving 53:04 – They Call Me Supermensch: A Backstage Pass to the Amazing Worlds of Film, Food, and Rock’n’Roll (Book and Movie) 55:37 – Look at Scott’s decision to bike around Asia and what he experienced during that time 1:02:49 – Best advice for someone in their early 20’s   Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag

27 Juni 20171h 7min

My guest this week is Andy Rachleff, who is the CEO of the automated investing platform Wealthfront. Andy was also a co-founder and long-time partner at Benchmark capital--one of the most interesting and successful venture capital firms in the world. We spend most of our conversation discussing venture capital investing and entrepreneurship. Andy coined the now ubiquitous term “product/market fit,” and has great insight into how investors and entrepreneurs should think about business. In that vein, we discuss both what we refer to as the value hypothesis: building a product or service that customers love, and the growth hypothesis: scaling that product or service to a large market. We finish our conversation by talking about Andy and his teams mission at Wealthfront, and this conversation is perfectly timed, as Wealthfront just released a new feature that allows investors to buy factor portfolios, similar to Smart Beta ETFs. Above all, I’ll remember Andy’s advice to “put the gun in the other person’s hand,” a strategy that we explore in the middle of our talk.   For comprehensive show notes on this episode go to http://investorfieldguide.com/andy For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast. Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag   Books Referenced The Four Steps to the Epiphany The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses Millennial Money: How Young Investors Can Build a Fortune Diffusion of Innovations Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers   Show Notes 2:36 – (First question) – The partnership setup and how they came to be 5 equal partners 7:57 – Why benchmark would not take on the chairman role in companies they invested in 9:28 – What made John Doerr the greatest capitalist investor ever 11:59 – Looking at the venture process and what made it an attractive investment for Benchmark, using eBay as an example. 18:06 – If you are willing to help other people, without an expectation of return, it can create other opportunities 20:08 – Andy is asked to explain the idea of Product Market Fit, a term that he coined 22:18 – How does one go about finding a Product Market Fit             23:05 – The Four Steps to the Epiphany             23:19 – The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses 25:55 – What are the components of the Growth hypothesis 26:51 – Why you can learn more professionally from success vs failure 28:13 – What it’s like to shift from venture capitalist to operator/CEO 30:24 – The rate at which technology gets adopted and what will help Wealthfront             30:53 – Millennial Money: How Young Investors Can Build a Fortune             31:26 – Diffusion of Innovations             31:38 – Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers 32:38 – What does it look like to innovate on top of current platforms 41:07 – Will platforms like Wealthfront help to democratize access to private markets 44:23 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Andy     Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag

20 Juni 201748min