239. ANTIFA: The Rise of the Violent Left | Andy Ngo
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239. ANTIFA: The Rise of the Violent Left | Andy Ngo

This episode was recorded on November 8th, 2021 Andy Ngo is an independent journalist and photographer who lives under constant threats for his reporting and expertise on American Antifa and the militant far-left. He has testified before the U.S. Congress, appeared on countless TV shows, radio programs, and podcasts, and has been featured in the Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Newsweek, Fox News, National Review, and more. Andy is currently the editor-at-large at the Post Millennial. In this episode, I discuss Andy’s experiences with Antifa, race riots, autonomous zones, and the ‘summer of love’ in Seattle. We also exchanged thoughts on the psychology of mob violence, journalistic integrity, dealing with criticism, using people for political ends, attempts to destabilize the police, and lots more. Check out Ngo’s new book https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Antifas-Radical-Destroy-Democracy/dp/154605958X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1643921778&sr=1-2 Take the ‘Understand Myself’ personality questionnaire https://understandmyself.com ___________ Chapters ___________ [00:00] Jordan introduces Andy Ngo [01:10] When Jordan & Andy first met and Jordan's imaginary enemies [02:08] Race riots and the existence of Antifa [04:19] Andy Ngo's experience with Antifa [07:58] The problem with conceptualizing Antifa [14:29] What motivates legacy media to minimize Antifa? [16:08] Was there a time Andy ever thought the stakes were high enough he violated his journalistic integrity? [19:44] How does Andy know he's not exaggerating the threat? [20:53] "They believe that no act they commit can go too far." AN [21:05] "Imagine that you are so virtuous in your pursuits that you are entitled to do anything to anyone whenever you want." JBP [22:19] "It's this moral license that goes along with this claim of virtue that really scares the hell out of, and it's also the fact that you can instantly demonize your enemies because if you're so virtuous that everything is justified, then anyone who opposes you is virtually Satan themselves." JBP [22:43] Story of a Minnesota mob kicking someone's teeth in [25:55] The Psychology of mob violence [27:17] How does he know he's not an exaggerating threat [31:18] Destabilizing the police [31:49] Is it helpful to categorize radicals either left or right? [36:41] The "summer of love" in Seattle [41:07] The gang members who came out at night [41:25] Stories of the autonomous zones [47:04] Instrumentality and using people to achieve a goal [48:04] "We've got to get rid of this idea that we can use people for an end; I don't care what the damn end is." [48:32] How destabilized have these cities become because of this? [51:19] The Minnesota Freedom Fund [52:58] Criticisms of Andy Ngo [54:34] How he knows the Minnesota Freedom Fund wants to abolish the criminal justice system, what are they doing wrong by bailing these people out, and how he knows it linked to an ideology. [56:57] "The system gets sloppy and self-congratulatory as we move toward statements like, the system is broken." [58:21] What do we do about the large incrimination of Americans, including a disproportionate number of them African Americans? [01:03:05] Wading through the accusations of the freedom fund being far left and Andy being far-right [01:04:33] James O'Keefe and Project Veritas [01:06:32] Andy's connection to Portland's militant right-wing and far-right-wing groups. [01:12:38] How many times he's been beaten up and why he kept going on. [01:18:52] Minnesota Freedom Fund cont. Who are they getting out on bail, and why do they think it's a good idea? [01:24:08] Jordan refers to a part of Andy's book that addresses a comment made by Kamala Harris Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Great Sacrifice: Abraham and Isaac

The Great Sacrifice: Abraham and Isaac

Lecture 12 in the Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories series In this, the final lecture of the Summer 2017 12-part series The Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories, we encounter, first, Hagar's banishment to the desert with Ishmael and then the demand made by God to Abraham for the sacrifice of Isaac. To sacrifice now is to gain later: perhaps the greatest of human discoveries. What, then, should best be sacrificed? And what might be the greatest gain? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Sodom and Gomorrah

Sodom and Gomorrah

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Abraham: Father of Nations

Abraham: Father of Nations

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The Call to Abraham

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Lecture 9 in my Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories series. In this lecture, I tell the story of Abraham, who heeds the call of God to leave what was familiar behind and to journey into unknown lands. The man portrayed in the Bible as the father of nations moves forward into the world. He encounters the worst of nature (famine), society (the tyranny of Egypt) and the envy of the powerful, who desire his wife. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25 Aug 20172h 43min

The Phenomenology of the Divine

The Phenomenology of the Divine

Lecture 8 in the Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories series. In the next series of stories, the Biblical patriarch Abram (later: Abraham) enters into a covenant with God. The history of Israel proper begins with these stories. Abram heeds the call to adventure, journeys courageously away from his country and family into the foreign and unknown, encounters the disasters of nature and the tyranny of mankind and maintains his relationship with the God who has sent him forth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Walking With God: Noah and the Flood

Walking With God: Noah and the Flood

Lecture 7 in the Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories Lecture Series. Life at the individual and the societal level is punctuated by crisis and catastrophe. This stark truth finds its narrative representation in the widely-distributed universal motif of the flood. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

19 Aug 20172h 38min

The Psychology of the Flood

The Psychology of the Flood

Lecture 6 in my Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories lecture series The story of Noah and the Ark is next in the Genesis sequence. This is a more elaborated tale than the initial creation account, or the story of Adam and Eve or Cain and Abel. However, it cannot be understood in its true depth without some investigation into what the motif of the flood means, psychologically, and an analysis of how that motif is informed by the order/chaos dichotomy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

19 Juli 20172h 44min

Cain and Abel: The Hostile Brothers

Cain and Abel: The Hostile Brothers

Lecture 5 in my Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories lecture series The account of Cain and Abel is remarkable for its unique combination of brevity and depth. In a few short sentences, it outlines two diametrically opposed modes of being -- both responses to the emergence of self-consciousness and the knowledge of good and evil detailed in story of Adam and Eve. Cain's mode of being -- resentful, arrogant and murderous -- arises because his sacrifices are rejected by God. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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