Inside VueConf: Nuxt 4, AI in Development, and the Future of Vue with Erik Hanchett - JSJ 685

PanelJamison Dance (twitter github blog) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) Discussion 01:15 - node-webkitSimilar to PhoneGap Chrome native apps Chromium05:31 - Event loops and the browsers06:53 - Example appsLight Table app.js 07:42 - node-webkit vs app.js10:00 - ChromeChrome Apps: JavaScript Desktop Development 17:44 - Security implications25:11 - Testing node-webkit applications27:19 - Getting a web app into a native app31:33 - Creating Your First AppJS App with Custom ChromeChromeless Browser Chromeless replacement PicksHow mismanagement, incompetence and pride killed THQ's Kaos Studios (Jamison) The Insufficiency of Good Design by Sarah Mei (Jamison) app.js (Tim) node-webkit (Tim) Macaroni Grill’s Butternut Asiago Tortellaci (AJ) JCPenney (AJ) Mac OS Stickies (Chuck) Fieldrunners (Chuck) Node Knockout Transcript AJ: Let’s talk about boring stuff. What did you eat for breakfast?TIM: I had donuts.AJ: That sounds nutritious and delicious.[This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][This episode is sponsored by Gaslight Software. They are putting on a Mastering Backbone training in San Francisco at the Mission Bay Conference Center, December 3rd through 5th of this year. This three day intensive course will forever change the way you develop the front-end of your web applications. For too long, many web developers have approached front-end as drudgery. No more! We’ll help you build the skills to write front-end code you can love every bit as much as your server-side code.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to episode 35 of the JavaScript Jabber Show. This week on our panel we have Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hi guys!CHUCK: Tim Caswell.TIM: Hello!CHUCK: And AJ O’Neal. And I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. This week, we are going to be talking about ‘Node-webkit’. It seems like Tim is the most familiar with it, so why don’t you jump in and tell us a little bit about it?TIM: All right. Basically the idea is to make desktop apps using Node and then having HTML as your display layer for your widgets. And I start a project doing this several years ago from Topcube, but I failed miserably because I'm not that good of a C engineer. And since then, a few projects have taken up the idea. Node-webkit is one done by Intel and the main engineer there is Roger Wang. So on Roger Wang’s GitHub there is node-webkit. And the other popular one is called ‘app.js’ and I think there is a couple others as well. And some other people have taken over my Topcube project and they use it for some maps app. And all these projects had the basic idea of you have a desktop native app that has Node and node-webkit inside of it.CHUCK: So, is it kind of like PhoneGap or some of these other things for mobile?TIM: Yeah. It’s similar to PhoneGap in that, you get more privileges than a browser would have in a more native experience. Instead of just the PhoneGap extensions, you get all of Node -- you get the full Node environment -- which means you can use all that existing libraries and ecosystem.JAMISON: So how does this compare to the Chrome native apps thing? Because I know that they are more --- already have some like JS APIs that let you touch stuff on the server or things like that. Is this just – it’s not sandbox at all?TIM: Yeah. I mean, this is a native app. It’s not in your browser at all. It bundles its own webkit.JAMISON: Oooh.TIM: It’s more like -- what was that flash thing they had years ago?AJ: ‘Adobe Air’?TIM: Air yeah. It’s like Adobe Air that doesn’t suck. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

16 Nov 201244min

PanelTrek Glowacki (twitter github Trek by trek) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) Discussion 02:18 - Ember.js (twitter, github, site)03:17 - Based on/Inspired by SproutCore?05:39 - The Rails of JavaScript?“Magical” 06:29 - todomvcBackbone.js    11:21 - Pulling pieces of Ember.js12:07 - Struggles with using Ember.jsLearning API can and does change frequently The applications that Ember.js targets are new New patterns 18:45 - Developer style22:59 - Rendering24:42 - Philosophy of Ember.js27:00 - Ember.js routerState machines32:31 - Spending time learning Ember.js35:06 - Frameworks and Wordpress41:57 - Event loop42:49 - APIObject systemBinding syntaxHandlebars.js46:38 - Rendering and nesting views PicksPromo Only (AJ) TinyToCS: Tiny Transactions on Computer Science (Jamison) HandBrake (Chuck) BitTorrent (Chuck) Transmission (Chuck) Presto 04213 Electronic Digital Timer (Chuck) Crafty.js (Trek) About Face 3: The Essentials of Interaction Design by Robert Reimann (Trek) Tucker Teaches the Clockies to Copulate by David Erik Nelson (Trek) Transcript  JAMISON: And I’m looking sexy.[This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][This episode is sponsored by Gaslight Software. They are putting on a Mastering Backbone training in San Francisco at the Mission Bay Conference Center, December 3rd through 5th of this year. This three day intensive course will forever change the way you develop the front-end of your web applications. For too long, many web developers have approached front-end as drudgery. No more! We’ll help you build the skills to write front-end code you can love every bit as much as your server-side code.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 33 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel we have AJ O’Neal.AJ: Yo, yo, yo. Comin’ at you live from DJ sphere of Orem, Utah.CHUCK: We also have Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Oh, gosh you get to ----. I'm sorry AJ; your intro was so good. [laughs]CHUCK: [laughs] I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week, we have a special guest and that is Trek Glowacki?TREK: Oh, very close. Good job.CHUCK: [laughs] Do you wanna straighten it up for us?TREK: You can just call me Trek. Everyone does.CHUCK: Ok. How many generations removed are you from Poland or whatever?TREK: So I'm a first generation American. My parents are foreign. But my dad is Belgian, not Polish nationally, but of a Polish decent.CHUCK: Oh, OK. That's interesting.TREK: Yeah. My driver’s license is weird and everything is misspelled. My voter registration is spelled wrong. It’s kind of a nightmare. It’s why I just go by Trek. I try to snag @trek as a user handle everywhere. So I'm @trek on Twitter-- just makes my life easier.CHUCK: Yeah. That makes sense. I have to say that, if your voter registration is messed up, I hope you are voting for that “other guy”. And I'm not going to be specific about my --- because I don’t wanna start a firestorm on a programing podcast for that, so we’ll just leave it there.Anyway, we are going to be talking about Ember.js today. Now, I know that Yehuda and Tom Dale work on it. Do you work on it too or are you just kind of an expert user?TREK: A little bit of both. I hang out on the secret volcano base that we have, with Yehuda and Tom and my contributions are--JAMISON: That's why your audio quality is so good.TREK: Yeah, we are at the volcano base, it’s really is beaming to a satellite in space.CHUCK: Yeah volcano net is awesome.TREK: So,Special Guest: Trek Glowacki. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

2 Nov 201255min

PanelBen Combee (twitter github blog) Gray Norton (twitter) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeS... Special Guests: Ben Combee and Gray Norton. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

26 Okt 201257min

PanelMisko Hevery (twitter github blog) Igor Minar (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Discussion 01:33 - Angular.js (twitter github blog)02:33 - Angular.js compared to other frameworks04:03 - How does it work?05:22 - Cost06:06 - HTML Compiler07:02 - Directives10:31 - Working with browsers in the future12:07 - Dependency injection16:50 - Main method18:48 - Using require.js20:53 - How would you build a TreeView widget in Angular?24:07 - Where data is stored24:42 - Scope29:47 - Syncing to serversRESTClient 31:34 - Testability & Services in Angular39:04 - Benefits of AngularDependency injection Directives PicksThe Arrow (Joe) Font Awesome (Tim) Testacular (Igor) Plunker (Igor) The Better Angels of our Nature: Steven Pinker (Misko) XCOM (Jamison) The Foundation Series: Isaac Asimov (Jamison) Influencer: The Power to Change Anything (AJ) Transcript [This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]JAMISON: Hi everybody and welcome to episode 32 of the JavaScript Jabber podcast. I'm not your host Charles Max Wood, I'm Jamison Dance. Chuck is at a conference this week. So, he is not here. We have with us Joe Eames.JOE: Hey everybody!JAMISON: Tim Caswell.TIM: Hello.JAMISON: And we have two special guests. I'm going to mangle your names, so I'm sorry. It’s Misko Hevery.MISKO: Misko Hevery. Yeah, thank you.JAMISON: Misko Hevery and Igor Minar?IGOR: Minar. Yeah.JAMISON: Great. You guys wanna introduce yourself really quick?MISKO: Sure. So, this is Misko Hevery, original creator of Angular.js.IGOR: Hi everybody! I'm Igor. I joined Misko about 2 years ago on this venture of creating better browser and better environment for creating client-side applications.JAMISON: And if you can’t tell, we are going to talk about Angular.js this week. So, I know it is kind of a Google project now. Did it start out that way?MISKO: It started out with something I was working on and eventually I've open sourced it at a product with Google internal application and just gotten such a rave reviews and new features that people actually says, “Hey why don’t you work on this full time and turn in on to a real product?” So, that's how it’s started.JAMISON: Oh, wow. So, there’s actually a team in Google who are working on Angular as their job?MISKO: Yeah.IGOR: Yes.JAMISON: That's awesome.IGOR: It’s just two of us here now, but we have a bunch of other people working full time on Angular.js and also main contributors--JAMISON: Oh, go ahead sorry.IGOR: There is a team behind Angular.js.JAMISON: Do you think you can give an overview and kind of a comparison to contrast Angular to some of the other MVC frameworks that people like before you? I mean, Backbone I guess is what most people know.  So, what makes Angular different from Backbone? How does it work?MISKO: So, I have never used Backbone besides it’s framework. But, my understanding is that Backbone is basically you have declare model and then launch on changes on its mode. And the way it does so is that there is a model class object. And whenever you modify the models that use special getters and setters methods, the Backbone know about the changes. So, this is pretty different from Angular because we don’t require you to inherit from anything. We have special getters and setters. Basically, any JavaScript object can be a model. So, that’s one big difference.JAMISON: But you can still observe the changes on objects like that?MISKO: Right.Special Guests: Igor Minar and Miško Hevery. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

19 Okt 201250min

PanelBenjamin Lupton (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Discussion 01:00 - Benjamin Lupton Introduction and Backgroundhistory.js (twitter / github) Front-end and back-end developer Based in Australia Works full-time open-source 03:19 - history.jsHTML5 History API Hashbang 09:26 - URL appearances10:32 - Maintaining states12:23 - (Joe joins the podcast)12:30 - Framework usage13:42 - Overriding history.js17:33 - JavaScript community and evolution21:10 - Particular problems that history.js is geared toward solving22:07 - Sites implementing history.js37signals 25:18 - Other libraries that do the same thing26:12 - Page reloads32:14 - Browser limitations34:37 - Live event in jQuery35:42 - history.js: a deep or shallow library?37:43 - Resources for history.js Picksbooq: Vyper XL2 (Jamison) Jordan Santell (Jamison) Star Wars: Red Harvest (Joe) Nitro Circus: The Movie (Joe) Arrested Development (Joe) f.lux (Chuck) docpad (Benjamin) Paulo Coelho (Benjamin) Transcript BENJAMIN: Anything important, I hear from my wife. So, I could finally have that thing where Facebook doesn’t infiltrate my mind with cat pictures anymore. [This episode is presented to you by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to episode 31 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Howdy Doody!CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week, we have a special guest and that's Benjamin Lupton.BENJAMIN: Hello.CHUCK: He is the author of history.js and why don’t you introduce yourself? Because that's all I really know about you other than history.js and you are many time zones away.BENJAMIN: [laughs] Yeah. So, I have been doing JavaScript pretty much my entire life and been doing it professionally since about 2006, full time. And over the time, I've developed some open source project. One of them became quite popular and that was History.js it makes HTML5 History API that was compatible with like hashes and things like that. We’ll go into that late. Yeah, that became really popular. Now I other stuff with Node a lot as well.CHUCK: Ooh. A front end and a back end person.BENJAMIN: Only because I'm Node.JAMISON: You are basically like a unicorn.CHUCK: Yeah.JAMISON: You are a mystical creature.CHUCK: You are too well rounded. You are going to put us to shame.BENJAMIN: Well, it’s easier being with Node.CHUCK: Yeah, that's true.JAMISON: Yeah it’s true. Where do you work?BENJAMIN: I work for my own company right now. We’ve been doing JavaScript constancy for a few start-ups in Australia. And now, I'm looking at going completely full time with just the open source stuff.CHUCK: Oh, cool. How do you manage going full time open source?BENJAMIN: Right now, we’ve got premium support. I'm going with a few companies and we are looking into other options as well.CHUCK: Right. Yeah. I'm in the same boat with my podcast. I’d love to go full time podcast and less full time consulting.JAMISON: So the real question is, if I pay you enough money, will you put a gigantic ASCII art picture of my face in the History.js source code?BENJAMIN: Perhaps.JAMISON: Okay. We’ll have to talk after.CHUCK: I’m going to have to figure out how to do that. Let’s see... Image to ASCII art…BENJAMIN: In podcast.CHUCK: Yeah and then I’ll…JAMISON: Oh Chuck, you could do it so there’s face that shows up like in the waveforms on the sounds.CHUCK: [laughs] I don’t know about that.Special Guest: Benjamin Lupton. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

15 Okt 201250min

PanelNoel Rappin (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Discussion 00:52 - Works in training and talent development for Groupon00:56 - Author of Rails Test Prescriptions and upcoming Master Space and Time with JavaScript01:21 - Writing a book about JavaScript02:33 - Focus of the bookPart 1: Jasmine and jQuery and the JavaScript Object Model Part 2: Extended examples of jQuery Part 3: Backbone Part 4: Ember 03:46 - Self-published authors05:15 - Approaches and mindsets to learning JavaScript06:04 - “Gotchas!” and bad features in Javascript09:17 - Modeling JavaScript for beginners11:23 - (AJ joins the podcast)11:42 - Resources/Classes for learning JavaScriptGood Parts Book: Douglas Crockford JavaScript Patterns: Stoyan Stefanov Eloquent JavaScript: A Modern Introduction to Programming: Marijn Haverbeke Maintainable JavaScript: Nicholas C. Zakas 13:54 - Hiring people with JavaScript experience at Groupon15:12 - Training workshops17:00 - Getting new hires up to speed quicklyPairing Mentoring Lectures Workshops 21:38 - Book LearningYou can learn at your own pace But it’s hard to ask questions to a book 22:51 - How Noel gained expertise in JavaScript24:38 - Code reading and learning to program a language26:18 - Teaching people JavaScript as their very first language31:55 - Classroom layout33:42 - Online trainingKahn Academy Computer ScienceCode AcademyStarter League40:00 - Finding a mentorStack Overflow PicksShrines by Purity Ring (Jamison) Learnable Programming: Bret Victor (Jamison) Mob Software: Richard P. Gabriel & Ron Goldman (Jamison) Monoprice.com (AJ) ZREO: Zelda Reorchestrated (AJ) The Official Twitter App (Chuck) Fluid App (Chuck) Try Jasmine! (Noel) Justin Searls (Noel) The Atrocity Archives: Charles Stross (Noel) Futurity: A Musical by The Lisps (Noel) Transcript NOEL: I’m trying to figure out where the chat is in this stupid Skype interface.JAMISON: Just imagine the worst place it could possibly be and that’s where it is.[This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by The Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 30 of the JavaScript Jabber show! This week on our panel we have, Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hey guys!CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week, we have a special guest and that’s Noel Rappin!NOEL: Hey everybody!CHUCK: For the people who don’t know who you are, you want to introduce yourself, Noel?NOEL:  Sure. I currently work in training and talent development for Groupon. And I am the author of previously “Rails Test Prescriptions” and currently a self-published book called “Master Time and Space with JavaScript”, which you can get at noelrappin.com. I need to spell that out, right? N-o-e-l-r-a-p-p-i-n.comCHUCK: So I’m little curious, before we get into the topic which is learning and teaching JavaScript, how did you get into writing a book about JavaScript? What’s your background there?NOEL: You know, it actually relates to teaching and learning JavaScript. I think, I was like… a lot of long time web devs. I spent my first round as a web consultant in around, turn of the century 2000’s. I spent time trying to talk clients out of JavaScript stuff because it was such a pain in the neck. And I kind of got away from it for awhile and came back a couple of years ago to realize that basically, everything had changed and they were actually usable tools now.And last summer, I was working with a… at that time,Special Guest: Noel Rappin. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

4 Okt 201251min

PanelAlex MacCaw (twitter github blog) Jacob Thornton (Fat) (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) DiscussionBower.js (web) Bower.js (twitter) Bower.js (github) SXSW Package managers ender-js BPM hem Benefits Small components Yeoman.io Browserify Dependencies Segmenting the community Transports Mozilla (github) Commands Building an actual package manager node.js Moving parts of a package manager Events Challenges Ember.js Mobile web application development Google Chrome apps Desktop apps in JavaScript PicksKershaw Ken Onion Tactical Blur Folding Knife (AJ) The xx: Coexist (Jamison) Neil Armstrong’s Solemn but Not Sad Memorial Cathedral (Jamison) Collective Soul Cat (Jamison) Amazon Prime (Joe) Star Trek Original Series on Amazon Prime (Joe) Functional Programming Principles in Scala: Martin Odersky (Joe) Domo (hiring!) (Joe) Delegation in Google (Chuck) Civilization IV (Chuck) Fujitsu ScanSnap (Chuck) Bill Nye’s Twitter Account getting suspended was not cool (Jacob) Github + Twitter profile redesign (Jacob) Avoid 7/11 Hot Dog Flavored Chips (Jacob) The Big Picture (Alex) CoffeeScriptRedux (Alex) Stripe (Alex) Special Guests: Alex MacCaw and Jacob Thornton. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

2 Okt 201247min

PanelJoe Eames (twitter github blog) AJ O'Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Summer Camp) DiscussionGreenfield - Brand New Project Brownfield - Older Applications, Legacy Code Poopfield - PHP Development Dealing With Legacy Code Use Tests Working Effectively with Legacy Code - Michael Feathers Risk When is the big rewrite the correct answer? PicksJoseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (AJ) Roll Up Crepes (AJ) Calepin (AJ) Bernie (Jamison) Dota 2 (Jamison) Derrick Storm Novels - A Brewing Storm, A Bloody Storm, A Raging Storm (Joe) Castle (Joe) X-Wing Mineatures (Joe) PEX For Fun (Joe) MLG Championship - Starcraft Duel (Joe) VESA 75 to 100 Adapter (Chuck) LG Tone Bluetooth Headphones (Chuck) Transcript JOE: Listen baby, it won’t get weird.JAMISON: [Chuckles]AJ: That sounds... weird.JAMISON: [Chuckles] Too Late.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Harvest. I use Harvest to track time, track subcontractor’s time and invoice clients. Their time tracking is really simple and easy to use. Invoicing includes a ‘pay now’ function by credit card and PayPal. And you can sign up at getharvest.com. Use the code RF to get 50% off your first month.]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to episode 28 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have AJ O’Neil.AJ: Yo, yo, yo comin’ at you live from the second story of an office base in Orem, Utah.CHUCK:  We also have Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hi, I’m Jamison Dance and I am super excited, because today iTV just announced that we are doing the Nintendo TV thing; and I haven’t been able to talk about it for, like, six months, so it’s a good day.CHUCK: Cool. We also have Joe Eames.JOE: Comin at you semi live from American Fork, Utah.CHUCK: And I am Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. Tim is not with us this week because he is in China. I thought I’d point that out, because I think it’s cool. Anyway, this week we are going to be talking about Greenfield versus Brownfield projects. It was kind of funny when we were getting ready to do this, some of the panels were like, Green/Brown?JAMISON: Yeah, I have to pull Josh Susser and ask for a definition.CHUCK: So, as far as I understand it, there are some new --- to this, depending to who you talk to, but mostly, Greenfield is a brand new project with few or no decisions made and no code written for it yet. And Brownfield projects are effectively older applications usually associated with legacy code. You know, so it’s an application that already has code written toward it. Typically, it is out there in the world doing whatever it is supposed to do.JAMISON: Now, I want to put this question delicately. Are there any fecal connotations to the color ‘brown’ in Brownfield?CHUCK: Only if it’s PHP.JOE: [Chuckles]. Then it’s Poopfield Development?CHUCK: [Chuckles]. Okay, we are not gonna go down that tangent.[Laughter]AJ: Because, I mean honestly, when Mormons make jokes about crap, it never sounds good anyway.CHUCK: Yeah. So anyway, how many of you guys have actually worked on a real Greenfield project? Like been there from day one, that you have it just built yourself.JAMISON: I guess it depends on your definition. Maybe. So we have lots of services at ITV, so I've been part of spinning up completely new services that didn’t exist. We had other sort of similar things already, so some of the decisions were already made for, so we kind of had a style established. But it was still like a separate project.AJ: Do you forget us so soon, Jamison?JAMISON: [Chuckles].AJ: You don’t remember ever working here or getting started…JAMISON: I do. I don’t remember Greenfield stuff; I remember new features, I mean, Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

21 Sep 201214min