The Brand NEW AI Marketing Strategy for 2025

The Brand NEW AI Marketing Strategy for 2025

Want our free Loop Marketing Prompt Library (with 100 prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/kcl Ep. 362 Did you know that 58.5% of Google searches now end without a click? Kipp and Aja Frost, Sr. Director of Global Growth at HubSpot, dive into how AI has fundamentally changed the marketing landscape—and what you can do about it. Learn more on why old-school tactics like linear funnels and basic personalization are outdated, how “loop marketing” can future-proof your strategy, and which AI-powered tactics drive explosive growth when traffic and attention are harder than ever to capture. This episode was recorded at HubSpot’s Inbound 2025. Mentions HubSpot Inbound https://www.inbound.com/ Aja Frost https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajafrost/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Breeze Assistant https://knowledge.hubspot.com/ai/use-breeze-assistant Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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How Web 3 Will Impact Your Marketing

How Web 3 Will Impact Your Marketing

Why should marketers care about web 3? Kipp and Kieran discuss everything about web 3 and how it’ll impact your marketing and business, the opportunity of losing, how to push the envelope, how to make people care about your product (hint: solving their problems), and more! Links: Packy McCormick’s apology https://twitter.com/packyM/status/1533796764922400768 Nick Susi’s tweet on what web 2 was and what web 3 needs to be https://twitter.com/nicksusi/status/1530600672982335492 Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

9 Juni 202215min

The CMO Show. How to Find One. How to Be One.

The CMO Show. How to Find One. How to Be One.

The #1 question every founder asks us is: How do I hire my marketing leader? Kipp and Kieran go on a deep dive on how to categorize marketing leaders to your business needs, how to give your team the power to be successful in their roles, pitch real job postings to the audience (and give their hot takes on each), show how to pitch themselves to the founders as a candidate, and so much more! Do you have a job description that you want Kipp and Kieran to discuss (and potentially give their hot takes on)? Leave it in the reviews! Links: Fl0’s Head of Marketing job posting https://jobs.lever.co/fl0/d17051f6-8934-4239-801c-f1dfc01546bc Fl0’s founder, Dale Brett https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalebrett/  LoyaltyLion’s Chief Marketing Officer job posting https://loyaltylion.com/careers/chief-marketing-officer  LoyaltyLion’s founder, Charlie Casey https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliecasey/  Jake from Suncut: Podcast editing subscriptions to scale your show https://www.suncut.co/  Emma from ThoughtSpot: business intelligence analytics search software https://www.thoughtspot.com/  John Ladaga wants to buy Kieran’s Chess NFT https://twitter.com/jj_ladaga/status/1529841989188997121  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

7 Juni 202240min

How Rationality F’s up your B2B Strategy

How Rationality F’s up your B2B Strategy

How do you balance rationality and irrationality as a business leader? How do you position your company and product to disrupt the market? Kipp and Kieran go on a deep dive on how playing it safe is actually hurting your business, how to know when to hire a head of marketing vs. a product marketer, using emotions to position your product, and more! Plus, We answer one of YOUR questions. Shoutout to Fanny Kuhn for leaving their review! Do you want to be the next featured listener question? Leave your questions in the reviews and we may feature you next. Links Mentioned: Loom https://www.loom.com/  Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari https://www.ynharari.com/book/sapiens-2/  The Hard Things About The Hard Things by Ben Horrowitz https://a16z.com/book/the-hard-thing-about-hard-things/  Hooked by Nir Eyal https://www.nirandfar.com/hooked/  Rework by Jason Fried https://www.amazon.com/Rework-Jason-Fried/dp/0307463745  The Platform Revolution https://www.amazon.com/Platform-Revolution-Networked-Markets-Transforming/dp/0393249131  Stratechery https://stratechery.com/  Not Boring Newsletter https://www.notboring.co/  The Hustle Newsletter https://thehustle.co/  Milk Road Newsletter https://www.milkroad.com/  Positioning The Battle for your Mind by Al Ries https://www.amazon.com/Positioning-Battle-Your-Al-Ries/dp/0071373586  Ready Player One by Ernest Cline https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Player-One-Ernest-Cline/dp/0307887448  Principles for The Changing World Order by Ray Dalio https://www.amazon.com/Changing-World-Order-Nations-Succeed/dp/1982160276  Shoe Dog by Phil Knight https://www.amazon.com/Shoe-Dog-Memoir-Creator-NIKE/dp/1471146723/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1654105299&sr=1-1  Direct Mail Copy That Sells by Herschell Gordon Lewis https://www.amazon.com/Direct-Mail-Copy-That-Sells/dp/0132147505/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2544SEVJ4RL7Q&keywords=Direct+Mail+Copy+That+Sells&qid=1654105342&s=books&sprefix=direct+mail+copy+that+sells%2Cstripbooks%2C68&sr=1-3  On Writing Well by William Zinsser https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Well-Classic-Guide-Nonfiction/dp/0060891548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=30RQWSPYFT6FV&keywords=on+writing+well&qid=1654105374&s=books&sprefix=on+writing+well%2Cstripbooks%2C78&sr=1-1  New Rules of Marketing PR by David Meerman Scott https://www.davidmeermanscott.com/books/the-new-rules-of-marketing-and-pr  The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Optimist-Prosperity-Evolves-P-s/dp/0061452068  Twitter Blue https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

2 Juni 202237min

Turning a Problem into an Opportunity

Turning a Problem into an Opportunity

As a business leader, how do you think about a recession, and what’s your approach? Hint: It’s not the strongest that will survive, but the ones who respond best to change.  Kipp and Kieran give tangible advice on what will make or break your business in the next 24 months, companies that made strategic choices to grow, what happens if your targeting is too broad, and more! Plus, We answer one of YOUR questions. Shoutout to user Write.Edit.Repeat. for leaving their review! Do you want to be the next featured listener question? Leave your questions in the reviews and we may feature you next. Things Mentioned: Shaan Puri’s thread on companies that made strategic choices to grow https://twitter.com/ShaanVP/status/1529900270481596417 Tweet on Cinnamon Whiskey https://twitter.com/noahsfriedman/status/1529919311351009292 Tweet of Uber in Portland https://twitter.com/iamjasonlevin/status/1529901811183800331 Tweet on Aol CD delivery in US https://twitter.com/jonathansenin/status/1529917737547354112 Tweet on Cirque Du Soleil, Qualtrics, and Facebook https://twitter.com/grahamgintz/status/1529901696859656228  Andy John’s Twitter https://twitter.com/ibringtraffic Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind by Al Ries and Jack Trout https://www.ries.com/books/  Sequoia Capital’s presentation for portfolio companies https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Adapting_to_Endure_May_2022.pdf Alex Banks thread on takeaways from Sequoia Capital’s presentation https://twitter.com/thealexbanks/status/1529865275876659218  The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt https://www.thecoddling.com/  Patrick Coleman on free marketing advice https://twitter.com/patrickscoleman/status/1529495625380679680    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

31 Maj 202220min

Failing Is Key To Succeeding (Plus, News-Jacking and Building Brand Authenticity)

Failing Is Key To Succeeding (Plus, News-Jacking and Building Brand Authenticity)

What’s a world-class brand that customers despise, but keep going back to? Hint: rhymes with Lion Air. Kipp and Kieran discuss why you need to fail to succeed, the importance of brand authenticity (with tangible examples), this founder newsjacking to showcase his company’s value props, and more! Things Mentioned: Ryan Air’s tweet mocking crypto boys https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1525083159725056002 Salem Ilese, Crypto Boy songwriter & artist https://twitter.com/salemilese  Packy McCormick’s newsletter “Newton’s Alchemy” https://www.notboring.co/p/newtons-alchemy?s=r Rand Fishkin showcasing Spark Toro & Followerwonk’s power https://twitter.com/randfish/status/1525984071158931456  David Meerman Scott, author of “Newsjacking” https://twitter.com/dmscott https://www.newsjacking.com/  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

26 Maj 202214min

Leadership Lessons, Needing to Win, and Cards Against Humanity

Leadership Lessons, Needing to Win, and Cards Against Humanity

Today our hosts are joined by a top marketer, Hannah Fleishman, to discuss leadership and management heuristics on how you can be an effective marketing leader. They also discuss how to be a leader vs. a manager, play a round of marketing cards against humanity, and more! Things Mentioned: Elon Musk’s tweet https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1522609829553971200  Jon Kabat Zinn https://www.mindfulnesscds.com/  Polygon x Meta Partnership https://twitter.com/0xPolygon/status/1523674225714036737  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Hannah Fleishman, https://twitter.com/hbfleishman Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

24 Maj 202236min

Marketing Monopoly

Marketing Monopoly

It’s Monopoly with a marketing spin. Kipp and Kieran get creative with marketing strategies for monopoly properties. They’re talking about email marketing, outbound marketing tactics, brand marketing, and more! They also discuss the future of NFTs and how it can benefit your marketing strategies for growth. Plus they answer one of YOUR questions on how to be a marketing leader through each stage of an early-stage startup (with practical tips to get you started). Shoutout to breene13 for leaving this question in our Apple Podcast reviews!  Do you want to be the next featured listener question? Leave your questions in the reviews and we may feature you next. Things mentioned: Peter Yang’s article “Are NFTs the Future of Subscriptions?” https://creatoreconomy.so/p/are-nft-memberships-the-future-of-subscriptions?s=r @AlexisOhanian’s tweet on NFTs https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/1521677108166246403  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

19 Maj 202238min

Using Social Dynamics to Build Community with Capri Wheaton

Using Social Dynamics to Build Community with Capri Wheaton

How do you mobilize your community as an early-stage startup? Capri Wheaton joins Kipp and Kieran to talk about how to scale a community using unscalable tactics, creating feed-based hype around your product, using social dynamics to your advantage, and how she dropped out of Berkeley to start her fashion-tech company, and more! Who is Capri Wheaton? Dressd Founder and CEO, Capri Wheaton studied at the University of California, Berkeley, before stepping away to start the app company Dressd, expected to launch in May. In business since November 2021, Dressd is funded by Y Combinator, an investor in early-stage startups and such well-known companies as Airbnb, Dropbox, Reddit, Twitch, and Instacart. Plus, Checkout Capri’s work! IG: https://www.instagram.com/shop.dressd  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@shopdressd  Twitter: https://twitter.com/Capri_lynnn  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/capri-wheaton-59863a199/  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

17 Maj 202233min

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