Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025

Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025

Want the guide to implement AI Engine Optimization (AEO) to your content? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/ymv Ep. 364 Did you know Google’s new AI-powered Chrome could mark “the death of web pages” as we know them? Kipp and Kieran dive into how Google’s latest Gemini integration is completely transforming search, content consumption, and the future of SEO in 2025. Learn more on how AI is making clicks and traditional web browsing obsolete, why AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is the next big battleground for brands, and what marketers must do to adapt their strategies to a world of conversational and agentic search. Mentions Google Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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10 AI Predictions That Will Completely Change Life In 2024 (#186)

10 AI Predictions That Will Completely Change Life In 2024 (#186)

2024 is the year everybody realizes that being an early adopter is the way. Kipp and Kieran dive into 2024 predictions for tech giants, and anticipate the revolutionary Apple Vision Pro. Learn more insights on early adoption, the impact of open source, and the evolving realm of personalized marketing.  Mentions Pika https://pika.art/  Microsoft https://www.microsoft.com/en-ph  Apple https://www.apple.com/ph/  Amazon https://www.amazon.com/  Meta https://business.facebook.com/  Google https://www.google.com/  OpenAI https://openai.com/  Apple Vision Pro https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/  Gemini https://gemini-ai.com/  Stack Overflow https://stackoverflow.com/  Figma https://www.figma.com/  Adobe https://www.adobe.com/  OpenAI GPT Store https://chat.openai.com/g/g-P6MdNuLzH-gpt-store  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/  Transformer Movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(film_series)  ChatGPT https://chat.openai.com/  Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

28 Dec 202334min

The 3 Ways To Get A CEO To Green Light High-Risk Marketing Ideas (#185)

The 3 Ways To Get A CEO To Green Light High-Risk Marketing Ideas (#185)

Most CEOs and founders want marketing to focus on capturing demand. Kipp and Kieran dive into critical aspects of successful marketing leadership in 2024. Learn more on the importance of creativity and risk tolerance, CMOs aspiring to be CEOs, practical strategies for achieving marketing success, and CEO-Marketer alignment challenges. Mentions Marketing Against the Grain YouTube  Youtube https://www.youtube.com/  Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

26 Dec 202312min

Did Google Just Kill Email Marketing? (#184)

Did Google Just Kill Email Marketing? (#184)

We can't have nice things. We've abused email to death. Kipp and Kieran dive into the impending email policy changes affecting Gmail and Yahoo users. Learn more on how the marketing landscape is evolving in response to email changes, the impact on outreach strategies, and the industry's efforts to combat spam, with Kipp and Kieran discussing the challenges posed by 'the Patricks of the world' and the necessity for marketers to adapt their approaches. Mentions Moz https://moz.com/  Coneball https://sugary-spire.fandom.com/wiki/Coneball  Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

21 Dec 202327min

Brian Balfour Reveals How To Build An A+ Marketing Team From Scratch (#183)

Brian Balfour Reveals How To Build An A+ Marketing Team From Scratch (#183)

The closer you are to the customer, the better you can tell that story. Kipp and Kieran dive into the nuances of marketing leadership with special guest Brian Balfour. Learn more on the imperative of effective customer-centric communication, underlining the value of aligning marketing strategies with customer problems, and emphasizing the critical link between customer engagement and compelling storytelling. About Brian Balfour Founder/CEO of Reforge, previously VP Growth @ HubSpot. I've started multiple VC backed companies, and grown user bases to millions of daily active users. I write detailed essays on growth and user acquisition that have been featured in Forbes, Hacker Monthly, and OnStartups to help you build a growth machine. Connect with Brian! Podcast https://brianbalfour.com/podcast  Blog https://brianbalfour.com/  LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbalfour/  Twitter https://twitter.com/bbalfour  Reforge https://www.reforge.com/  Mentions "Unsolicited Feedback" podcast by Brian Balfour https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsolicited-feedback/id1706701340  HubSpot https://www.hubspot.com/  Discord https://discord.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

19 Dec 202344min

How To Create A Winning Marketing Plan For 2024 (Masterclass) (#182)

How To Create A Winning Marketing Plan For 2024 (Masterclass) (#182)

Founders and CEOs understand customers the best. Kipp and Kieran dive into how you can create a winning marketing strategy in 2024. Learn more on the importance of aligning strategy with customer problems, ideal budget distribution, including 60-65% for demand generation, 10-20% for brand spending, and insights on early CEO involvement. Mentions Allocadia https://secure.allocadia.com/  Asana https://asana.com/  Google Sheets https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/create  HubSpot https://www.hubspot.com/  Zapier https://zapier.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

14 Dec 202343min

Reviewing The Best AI Tools For Video Production (#181)

Reviewing The Best AI Tools For Video Production (#181)

AI takes what you're already doing and makes it better.  Kipp and Kieran dive into the evolving landscape of video creation. Learn more on democratizing content, the challenges of distinguishing between original and fake content in a world of AI-generated media, Zoom's use of AI for sales enablement, and the need to understand platforms for optimal performance. Mentions Zoom https://zoom.us/  Saster https://www.youtube.com/@SasterSub0ru  Opus Pro https://www.opus.pro/  Heygen https://www.heygen.com/  Travis https://aitravis.com/  Runway https://runwayml.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

12 Dec 202329min

Google Launches Gemini AI (And It’s Better Than GPT-4)

Google Launches Gemini AI (And It’s Better Than GPT-4)

Kieran and Kipp discuss the impact of Google's Gemini on the future of search. They highlight three core aspects of that stood out to them: a better search experience, the ability to build bespoke web experiences, and the potential for multimodal search. They explore how Gemini will change how we search, transform the search user experience, and redefine the role of the searcher. They emphasize the importance of multimedia content and the need to make information public and accessible. They also discuss the challenges of integrating ads and predict new ad units and opportunities. They conclude by addressing Google's branding confusion and the importance of prioritizing developers. We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

7 Dec 202329min

The 5 Biggest Marketing Opportunities For 2024 (#179)

The 5 Biggest Marketing Opportunities For 2024 (#179)

Offering alignment with your audience is more important than brand recognition. Kipp is joined by Ralph Burns and Kasim Aslam (hosts of Perpetual Traffic) as they dive into the nuances of optimizing paid marketing. Learn more on pre-awareness targeting, the massive YouTube potential, and effective collaboration strategies with mid-tier creators. About Ralph and Kasim Ralph Burns has 20+ years of internet marketing experience, 25+ years of sales and sales management experience, his specialties include: Digital Marketing, Virtual Leadership, Guitar, CEO Stuff. Kasim Aslam is a college dropout, entrepreneur, author, and a proud Front Row Dad. He’s the Founder of Solutions 8, one of the top-ranked Google Ads agencies in the world. Recently, he co-founded Driven Mastermind, an exclusive, invite-only community for high-performing entrepreneurs. Connect with Ralph and Kasim! Ralph’s Twitter https://twitter.com/ralphhb  Kasim Twitter https://twitter.com/kasimaslam  Ralph’s LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns/  Kasim’s LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasimaslam/  Mentions Perpetual Traffic Podcast https://perpetualtraffic.com/  HubSpot https://www.hubspot.com/  Discount Tire https://www.discounttire.com/  Creator Marketplace Meta https://creators.facebook.com/tools/branded-content/?locale=en_US  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

5 Dec 202343min

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