Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025

Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025

Want the guide to implement AI Engine Optimization (AEO) to your content? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/ymv Ep. 364 Did you know Google’s new AI-powered Chrome could mark “the death of web pages” as we know them? Kipp and Kieran dive into how Google’s latest Gemini integration is completely transforming search, content consumption, and the future of SEO in 2025. Learn more on how AI is making clicks and traditional web browsing obsolete, why AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is the next big battleground for brands, and what marketers must do to adapt their strategies to a world of conversational and agentic search. Mentions Google Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934 If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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Midjourney V5 Update: Everything You Need To Know (#107)

Midjourney V5 Update: Everything You Need To Know (#107)

Video/image-based AI is going to transform marketing. Kipp and Kieran dive into what Midjourney is and how it’s completely changing the game for marketers. Learn how image AI is going to change how we create content, why copyright law will be at the center of AI, and how these new tools will empower a marketer’s toolbelt. Mentions Midjourney https://www.midjourney.com/home/?callbackUrl=%2Fapp%2F   Canva https://www.canva.com   Matt Wolfe’s tweet https://twitter.com/mreflow/status/1642997929362472960  Jim Fan’s tweet https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1642921475849203712    Getty Images https://www.gettyimages.com/   Jenny AI’s tweet https://twitter.com/jenny____ai/status/1642895693672255492  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

6 Apr 202329min

3 Growth Hacks Startups Use To Go From $0 to $1 Billion (#106)

3 Growth Hacks Startups Use To Go From $0 to $1 Billion (#106)

You only need to master one of these tactics to create a billion-dollar business. Kipp and Kieran dive into the core frameworks to take your business to the next level. Learn the power duo of template creation through organic search, why user-generated SEO loops are game-changing, and how you can incentivize your community to drive growth for your business. Mentions Canva https://www.canva.com/  Miro https://miro.com/  Figma http://figma.com/  Genius https://genius.com/  Stack Overflow https://stackoverflow.com/  Rewind https://www.rewind.ai/  Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/  PayPal https://www.paypal.com/us/home  Evernote https://evernote.com/  HubSpot user groups https://www.hubspot.com/hubspot-user-groups  Chainlink https://chain.link/  Loom https://www.loom.com/home  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

4 Apr 202330min

OpenAI Launches The ChatGPT AppStore (#105)

OpenAI Launches The ChatGPT AppStore (#105)

Bing’s market share is up by 15%. Google is down by 1%. Kipp and Kieran take you through the new AI revolutions and how it will transform your business. Learn how to take AI and build real use cases for your business, the three types of roles that have forever changed from AI, how AI equals out the playing field for employees, and how to leverage AI to grow your business. Mentions ChatSpot https://chatspot.ai/ ChatGPT https://chat.openai.com/chat Bing https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/bing?form=MA13FJ  AI Pope on Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11907391/Social-media-stunned-AI-image-Pope-Francis-wearing-stylish-puffer-coat.html  Midjourney https://www.midjourney.com  Canva AI https://www.canva.com/ai-image-generator/  Adobe AI https://www.adobe.com/sensei/generative-ai.html  Peter Yang’s episode https://link.chtbl.com/CcPxrGsN  Sam Altman on Lex Fridman podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Guz73e6fw  David Sacks tweet https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1640415817102934018  Ben’s Bites Newsletter https://www.bensbites.co/  Tiny https://www.tiny.com/  Spencer Scott’s thread on AI & Shopify https://twitter.com/akaspencerscott/status/1638996893576601600?s=46&t=qo0rMvYEbESguv0k2b7KGw  Microsoft AI https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

30 Mars 202323min

Why This Startup Founder Is Spending $0 On Paid Marketing with Ankur Nagpal (#104)

Why This Startup Founder Is Spending $0 On Paid Marketing with Ankur Nagpal (#104)

People don’t want to follow brands. Kipp and Kieran are joined by Ankur Nagpal (Founder at Ocho) to go all in on Ocho’s $0 marketing strategy. Learn why Ocho’s betting big on their team building their individual brands, how to take advantage of the hidden tax codes, why creators need to build ownership, and how to recruit a marketing leader. About Ankur Recently launched Ocho (ocho.com) to help business owners build wealth. He also runs Vibe Capital (vibe.vc), a venture capital fund with 100+ portfolio companies and $100M+ in AUM.  Previously, founded Teachable (teachable.com) & scaled to $50M+ in ARR before selling to Hotmart, where he serves on the board. Currently lives in Brooklyn, NY when not vagabonding around the globe. Connect with Ankur! Ocho https://ocho.com/  LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ankurnagpal/  Twitter https://twitter.com/ankurnagpal  Mentions Sam Parr https://twitter.com/thesamparr  Ankur’s Tweet https://twitter.com/ankurnagpal/status/1593026491058917377  Ocho https://twitter.com/ochowealth  Teachable https://teachable.com/  Google Bard https://bard.google.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

28 Mars 202340min

GPT-4 Beta User Reveals What Jobs It Will Destroy In 2023 with Nathan Labenz (#103)

GPT-4 Beta User Reveals What Jobs It Will Destroy In 2023 with Nathan Labenz (#103)

Is Google going to get displaced in 2023? Kipp and Kieran are joined by Nathan Labenz (founder at Waymark) to reveal the true power of GPT-4 and the real use cases for your business. Learn the weaknesses in AI, how it can affect current jobs, and why search won’t get disrupted in 2023. Connect with Nathan! Twitter https://twitter.com/labenz  LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/  About Nathan Labenz Nathan Labenz is the founder & AI R&D lead at Waymark, a video generation company, and also hosts the Cognitive Revolution podcast. Mentions GPT 4 https://openai.com/research/gpt-4  Athena https://www.athenago.com/  Perplexity AI https://www.perplexity.ai/  Playground AI https://playgroundai.com/  Midjourney https://www.midjourney.com/home/  DALLE-2 https://openai.com/product/dall-e-2  Stable diffusion https://stablediffusionweb.com/  Play HT https://play.ht/  Numerous https://numerous.ai/  Microsoft 365 Copilot https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

23 Mars 202339min

GPT-4 Update: EVERYTHING You Need To Know (#102)

GPT-4 Update: EVERYTHING You Need To Know (#102)

How will the biggest day in AI history affect the marketing world? Kipp and Kieran uncover all the AI news to keep you ahead of the curve. Learn why the launch of GPT-4 changes everything, why you need to adapt and iterate quickly to not get out-innovated, and why most businesses will change operating models in the next 5 years. Mentions: GPT-4 https://openai.com/research/gpt-4  Google Docs https://www.google.com/docs/about/  Zapier https://zapier.com/  OpenAI https://open.ai/  David Blaine https://davidblaine.com/  Grammarly https://app.grammarly.com/  Figma https://www.figma.com/  Canva https://www.figma.com/  Khan Academy AI Tutor https://www.khanacademy.org/khan-labs  Midjourney https://www.midjourney.com/home/  Adept https://www.adept.ai/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

21 Mars 202334min

How To Protect Your Business From GPT-4 in 2023 (#101)

How To Protect Your Business From GPT-4 in 2023 (#101)

Change is coming faster than you may think. Kipp and Kieran dive into how you can defend your business in a post-A.I. world. Learn where to invest more into your business today, how to pivot from big disruptions, why you need strong data and quick distribution to survive, and will community survive in a post-A.I. world? Mentions HubSpot’s ChatSpot https://www.hubspot.com/artificial-intelligence  GPT-4 https://openai.com/product/gpt-4  Microsoft AI https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai  Quora https://www.quora.com/  Stable Diffusion https://stablediffusionweb.com/  Notion https://www.notion.so/product  Figma https://www.figma.com/  Miro https://miro.com/  Zapier https://zapier.com/  Our latest episode of half-baked marketing ideas https://link.chtbl.com/LV2jUMJJ  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

16 Mars 202335min

How We Grew HubSpot From $10 Million to $1 Billion | HubSpot CMO (#100)

How We Grew HubSpot From $10 Million to $1 Billion | HubSpot CMO (#100)

How do you build a billion-dollar company? Kipp and Kieran are celebrating the 100th episode with a deep dive into how HubSpot became a billion-dollar business and how you can use these teachings to propel your business forward. Learn HubSpot’s category creation process, learn your go-to-market strategy, how to build a product-led growth engine, and how to move the activation metric. Mentions Inbound Marketing by Brian Halligan & Dharmesh Shah https://www.amazon.com/Inbound-Marketing-Found-Google-Social/dp/0470499311  HubSpot Blog https://blog.hubspot.com/ Reforge https://www.reforge.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.

14 Mars 202338min

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