Hybrid Pricing and Pricing with AI with Steven Forth
Impact Pricing17 Apr 2023

Hybrid Pricing and Pricing with AI with Steven Forth

Steven Forth is Ibbaka's Co-Founder, CEO, and Partner. Ibbaka is a strategic pricing advisory firm. He was CEO of LeveragePoint Innovations Inc., a SaaS business designed to help companies create and capture value. Steven is what I consider one of the great pricing thinkers in our industry.

In this episode, Steven enlightens us about hybrid pricing models and explains why we should adopt it. He also shares why pricing people need to change the way they see AI along with the work they do in pricing.

Why you have to check out today's podcast:

  • Understand one of the unstated rules of pricing that talks about pricing power along with insights into future risk
  • Find out how artificial intelligence (AI) can help address concerns regarding the connection between pricing and predictability, and why pricing people should change how they see AI in line with pricing
  • Discover the reason on why most of us need to adopt hybrid pricing models and why the two pricing metrics in that should be independent of each other

"Most of us need to adopt hybrid pricing models, and the two pricing metrics should be independent of each other. If the two pricing metrics track each other closely, why bother having a hybrid pricing model? You need two metrics that are relatively independent of each other, and that will give you the flexibility you need to respond in a difficult economic environment."

– Steven Forth

Topics Covered:

00:42 – Steven's insights on what a hybrid pricing model looks like

02:30 – Issues on pricing model that applies credits/tokens to usage

04:44 – Predictability; whoever has the best insight into future risk has the greatest pricing power

09:37 – Pricing people vs. the recent trend: AI and how it sets prices

12:02 – The Achilles heel of value-based pricing, and the hybrid pricing practice in companies

18:09 – What real value-based pricing is about

20:52 – An optimal pricing model if you want to combine two metrics

24:31 – Confused buyers don't buy and renew

27:18 – Three reasons why calculators don't expose their logic

28:42 – Steven's pricing advice

29:42 – Connect with Steven

Key Takeaways:

"If you have enough data, you can actually get pretty good at predicting future usage." – Steven Forth

"One of the unstated rules of pricing is that whoever has the best insight into future risk has the greatest pricing power. The better we get at prediction, the more accurate we can get at pricing, and the question then becomes, who has the data to make those predictions? And I think in many cases, it's actually the vendor who has better access to data." – Steven Forth

"This whole question of predictability and pricing is going to be a key question for pricing over the next three to five years, and the artificial intelligences are going to help us to answer that question much better than we've ever been able to answer it before." – Steven Forth

"If you're optimizing value for the customer, you're optimizing the amount that they're willing to pay you, so if you just do it to optimize revenue, you'll end up shooting yourself in the foot because you'll trigger that negative feedback loop." – Steven Forth

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Memecast #42: Real Value Comes From Real Differentiation

Memecast #42: Real Value Comes From Real Differentiation

Real value comes from real differentiation. Real value is turned into perceived value through marketing. When we're up against the competition, which most of the time we all. Our customers are buying perceived differentiation. They look at our product or competitors' products. What's the difference in price and is it worth it? And the, 'is it worth it' has everything to do with the difference in capability, the product differentiation, the features that are different. "Build real differentiation, but we have to make sure our customers know it." - Mark Stiving Now we may have built the best product in the world. We may have built a product that is much, much better than our competitors, but if our buyers don't know that. If they don't believe that, then they're not going to choose our product buyers. Aren't buying based on real differentiation? They're buying on their perceptions or what we'll call perceived differentiation. Our job as a company should be to build products that are truly better than our competitors. In other words, build real differentiation, but we have to make sure our customers know it. And that comes through marketing. It comes through sales efforts. We have to make sure we're communicating the fact that our product is better/different than our competitors. We hope you enjoyed this podcast. If you see have any questions or feedback please email me mark@impactpricing.com. Now go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn

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Human Part of Pricing: The Business Case of Curiosity in Relation to Pricing with Ebrahim El-Ebiary

Ebrahim El-Ebiary is a Pricing Manager at Goodyear Tires. He's been with Goodyear for six years now, having worked in Revenue Management at FedEx before that. Ebrahim is a Professional Certified Coach and he's genuinely interested in people and how they think. In this episode, Ebrahim talks about the importance of curiosity and good relationship to your pricing practice as you continue to make money through helping your customers do the same. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Learn about what revenue management is and the relationship it has with pricing Understand why it's important that pricing people understand their customers' future while having the customers take part in the creative process Find out about the benefits of having a good relationship with your customer and keeping that relationship until it lasts "Before launching a very detailed analysis, ask the question, 'how will this be used?'" – Ebrahim El-Ebiary Topics Covered: 01:11 – How Ebrahim got into pricing 01:59 – Revenue management's relationship with pricing and yield management 03:48 – Does Goodyear have revenue management? 04:40 – Defining a coach and what a coach does; Is Mark a coach? 06:05 – Pricing and coaching as different sides of the same coin 07:50 – Why curiosity is important in keeping relationships with customers 09:27 – Questions to ask in order to better understand a customer's future 11:53 – Why it's important for tires to be talking to each other 14:26 – Where the idea of communicating tires came from 15:42 – Having the customers take part in the creative process and keeping that relationship with them 19:08 – Being in a zero-sum game situation of price negotiation 23:12 – Expressing complex analysis into simple statements to not lose your customers 26:32 – Pricing advice for today's listeners Key Takeaways: "A coach is someone that supports people getting from where they are to where they want to get to, not where he or she wants to get, where they want to get to. A coach does not tell you or does not impose their point of view." – Ebrahim El-Ebiary "Making money is "the easy part" of it (doing business). Having the story and the vision, now that's where moneys truly made in a sustainable manner." – Ebrahim El-Ebiary "Discovering the future comes from asking about the legacy that they want to build mixed with free flow working sessions where we pick on each other's ideas jointly." – Ebrahim El-Ebiary "One thing remains at the heart of business is people. Once we lock in that relationship of trust and joint creativity, then we come back to do business together. That relationship then grows and flourishes, and with that, profits grow and creativity grows and the demand for new products that didn't exist or new services from existing products come to life." – Ebrahim El-Ebiary "Know the question you're trying to answer before jumping into a detailed analysis or investing in a pricing system software, hiring more people. Just know what question you're answering." – Ebrahim El-Ebiary People / Resources Mentioned: Goodyear Tires: http://www.goodyear.com/ Connect with Ebrahim El-Ebiary: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ebrahim-elebiary/ Email: ebiary@gmail.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast #38: The Best Attitude for a Great Value Conversation

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on December 15, 2021, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/the-best-attitude-for-a-great-value-conversation/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn

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Memecast #41: Costs Don't Drive Pricing

Memecast #41: Costs Don't Drive Pricing

Costs don't drive pricing, willingness to pay drives prices. I remember 1989. Yes. I'm that old? I was selling automatic test equipment to the semiconductor industry, and I heard this story on the radio that changed the way. I thought about pricing and costs forever. Intel built the 46 DX, which is the very first dual-core microprocessor in the world. Very expensive. Of course, AMD decided they were going to create a single core version and they charged a much lower price. So they've taken a lot of business away from it. Yeah. Intel's thinking 'Hey, we better do something'. So Intel creates a single-core version of their microprocessor and they charge a price more competitive with AMD. And so now they're not losing quite as much business. Now, this story makes all the sense in the world until you learn how Intel made the SX. They first made a DX, a dual-core processor, and then they took an extra manufacturing step with a laser to disable the coprocessor. It actually costs them more to build an SX, a single-core version than it did to build the dual-core version. And yet they sold it at a much lower price. Well, how does that possibly make sense? It makes sense because. Our costs. Aren't what drives our customer's willingness to pay? It's the value to the customer that drives their willingness to pay. We should stop overemphasizing our costs, especially when we're trying to set pricing. It's really about customer value. We hope you enjoyed this podcast. If you see have any questions or feedback please email me mark@impactpricing.com. Now go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn

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