Completely Conspicuous 664: Time Stand Still

Completely Conspicuous 664: Time Stand Still

This week, I'm joined by fellow podcast pioneer Brian Salvatore as we discuss the first 20 years of podcasting.

Show notes:

  • Brian: First heard about podcasts in 2004
  • Started making the FrankBlack.net Podcast in 2006
  • Jay: Got my first iPod in 2004 and then learned about podcasts
  • Brian: The internet was so much better 20 years ago
  • Great for digging into niche interests
  • Jay and Brian met through the Frank Black podcast in 2010 and realized that Brian lived near Jay's brother-in-law
  • Jay: The start of CompCon in 2006
  • Always loved radio but never worked at the college station
  • First few years were just me talking about pop culture
  • Eventually started bringing on guests after a few years
  • Podcasting got an early boost when Apple started a podcast directory
  • Early podcasts I listened to were by Adam Curry, Ricky Gervais
  • Marc Maron started his podcast in 2009 and is airing his last episode next week
  • Now everybody's got a podcast
  • Brian: Before podcasts, blogging was a thing
  • Brian produces podcasts for other people in addition to his own
  • Podcasting never became a career for us, just a hobby
  • But some people have made lots of money from them
  • Brian: Not much innovation in the podcast space lately
  • Music podcasts were hampered by copyright issues
  • Podcast networks started popping up
  • Conan O'Brien created a great podcast after his TV talk show went away
  • Podcasting is much more interesting than commercial radio these days
  • Brian: Grew up loving radio, especially WFMU
  • Jay: College radio is still good, but commercial radio blows
  • DJs used to be dependable arbiters of taste
  • Now everything's heavily formatted
  • Jay: Been doing my own radio show on BFF.fm for the last 12 years
  • Brian co-owns a sports podcast company
  • People have trouble committing to a show once they start it
  • Listening habits have changed
  • Jay: Currently listen to WTF, The Best Show, sports shows about Toronto teams, The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers
  • Brian: Election Profitmakers, Song Exploder, Never Not Funny, Conan, Indiecast, Who Cares About the Rock Hall?, Mets podcasts
  • So much content to wade through
  • Just like with music; it's much easier to release an album now but there's so much out there
  • Tough to make it as a musician now
  • Podcasts have gone beyond a niche thing
  • Jay: I love listening to audio
  • The value of playing songs people haven't heard a zillion times
  • Every celebrity has a podcast
  • Will podcasts go back to the indie days at some point?
  • Jay: I do two podcasts for work
  • The bubble will burst at some point
  • AI could have a strange, negative effect
  • Connections formed via podcasting
  • Brian: Start a podcast, people

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The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

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Completely Conspicuous 521: Content Overload

Completely Conspicuous 521: Content Overload

Part 2 of my conversation with guest Matt Phillion as we discuss the decade in TV and movies. Show notes: - Going over some of our favorites of the decade - Jay: Haven't seen a lot of critical faves - Both enjoyed Blackkklansman - Toy Story 3 is the best of that series - Matt: Beasts of the Southern Wild was a stunner - In the Loop is profanely excellent - Jay never saw Inside Out; Matt says it's borderline educational - The traumatic sadness of Disney movies - Don't ban offensive old movies - Stereotypes in older movies stick out - The series 24 was so over the top about torture and terrorists - Writing for women's roles in the '80s was pretty awful - Post-9/11 jingoism - Good Sorkin: The Social Network - Bad Sorkin: The Newsroom - When older celebs are trending on Twitter - Matt: In praise of Monsters - Timothy Olyphant is great - Matt needs to watch Justified - Black Mirror is predicting everything - The Americans is an excellent show - Matt hasn't seen Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul - Orphan Black features an amazing performance by Tatiana Maslany - Bill Hader elevates himself from comic genius to dramatic auteur on Barry - Russian Doll came out of the blue - The People Vs. OJ Simpson was excellent, with a bizarre performance by John Travolta - The sneaky genius of Legends of Tomorrow - Dark on Netflix is a German show that is brilliantly out there - Downton Abbey: Cultural phenomenon that doesn't make sense - The Leftovers got better when it went beyond the book - The Marvel shows on Netflix were surprisingly good (except for Iron Fist) - The fight scenes in Daredevil were intense and creative - So much content out there that it's impossible to see it all Completely Conspicuous is available through Apple Podcasts and anywhere else you get podcasts. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

3 Dec 201954min

Completely Conspicuous 520: Streaming for Vengeance

Completely Conspicuous 520: Streaming for Vengeance

Part 1 of my conversation with guest Matt Phillion as we discuss the decade in TV and movies. Show notes: - This decade has flown by - 10 years ago, Matt was getting ready to move to Ireland - Hard to rank the best movies and TV because there's so much we haven't seen - Recording on the day that Disney+ launched - Some bugs because of the huge demand on day 1 - Biggest change is the move to streaming content - Binge-watching has become a huge trend - Spoilers abound - Jay: Don't read reviews until after I've watched something - HBO's Watchmen series is pretty good - So easy to fall behind on a show - Shows switch to different streaming services - We're so distracted that many people are doing multiple things while watching a show - Short seasons are appealing because you can finish them quickly - Rare to watch shows live - Matt watched final season of LOST from Ireland, live with his family via a laptop - Similarly, there's so much new music being released but a lot of it doesn't get heard - Radio stations play a lot of the same music over and over - More and more original programming on non-traditional outlets: PlayStation, Amazon Prime, Apple+ - So many streaming services available now - The end goal is to replace your $200 cable bill with an equal amount spent on streaming services - Jay: Cut the cord three years ago, went to all streaming - You can't get everything - Takes a long time to decide what to watch sometimes - Sometimes we watch two different things while in the same room - Seeing movies in a theater is great, but dealing with other people isn't - Stay off social media if you don't want spoilers - Jay: 10 years ago, I was watching late night talk shows every day - Now, watch clips online the following day - Jay: Haven't seen a Star Wars movie since 1983 - Something to be said for holding onto hard media - Bringing back dead actors using AI - Deep fakes are freaky and amazing - Superhero movies became big moneymakers in the last decade - The Shining happened because Kubrick was at a low spot and needed a hit - The new Fantasy Island reboot is a horror movie - To be continued Completely Conspicuous is available through Apple Podcasts and anywhere else you get podcasts. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

27 Nov 20191h 7min

Completely Conspicuous 519: Cornell '77

Completely Conspicuous 519: Cornell '77

I'm joined by guest Phil Stacey as we discuss the Grateful Dead bootleg Cornell '77. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - Talking about Dead show recorded on 5/8/77 at Cornell University - Phil: Listened to this hundreds of times - Jay: Very impressed by the bootleg - Phil: The show was so random - Dead had taken some time off from touring from '74 to '76 - By spring of '77, band was firing on all cylinders - Phil's parents wouldn't let 8-year-old Phil see the Dead on that tour - A lot of live albums are unnecessary - But a great live recording is transcendent - Phil: Early Chicago with Terry Kath on guitar was a great live act - The Dylan and the Dead live album was a dud - Phil Lesh: The Heineken Years - Clapton's MTV Unplugged album was awful - Jay: Solo Clapton is terrible - Phil doesn't like Thin Lizzy - The Dead has 36-minute versions of songs on their bootlegs - Phil has around 125 Dead boots - Figuring out which songs flow well into others - Phil: The version of "Morning Dew" on this bootleg is the best - Plenty of snow at that show, inside and outside - Love when bands change up the setlist every night - When you get sick of songs you love - Somehow we start talking about "The Day After" - AC/DC's music is more complicated than you think - Phil would set his time machine to 5/8/77 Completely Conspicuous is available through Apple Podcasts and anywhere else you get podcasts. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

20 Nov 20191h 17min

Completely Conspicuous 518: Terrapin Station

Completely Conspicuous 518: Terrapin Station

I'm joined by guest Phil Stacey as we discuss the Grateful Dead's 1977 album Terrapin Station. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - The Dead's 9th studio album - Band had signed with Clive Davis and Arista - Album was produced by Keith Olsen, later known for slick AOR albums by Eddie Money, Rick Springfield, REO Speedwagon, Heart - Phil: Would get a tattoo of the Terrapin cover - Cover of "Dancing in the Streets" is pretty lame - Live, the cover turns into a long jam (duh) - Donna Godchaux was featured a lot on this record - Side 2 is an side-long suite written by Hunter and Garcia - Band didn't tour for this album after Mickey Hart got in a car accident - The tour before this album was legendary for Dead fans - Tried songs out live before they made it to studio recordings - Side 1 closes out with a Donna G. song that sounds nothing like anything else the Dead has done - The Godchaux marriage was splitting up while they were in the band - Olsen erased Hart's drums on one song and replaced them with strings - Lyrics on Terrapin Station are pretty dense - Relatively short album for the Dead at 35 minutes - Phil: These songs got better in the live setting - Jay: A lot of filler on side 2 - Album feels like a contractual obligation - Dead & Co. plays part of the title suite now - Phil: Not a John Mayer fan, but he's a good guitarist - Jay: Not a fan of this album - Next: Cornell 5/8/77 Completely Conspicuous is available through Apple Podcasts and anywhere else you get podcasts. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

13 Nov 201937min

Completely Conspicuous 517: Top of the Heap

Completely Conspicuous 517: Top of the Heap

It's part 3 of my conversation with guest Jay Breitling as we conclude our countdown of our favorite albums of the decade. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - Kumar's #3 of the decade: Parquet Courts cements their post-punk presence (2014) - Impressive body of work with an art-rock vibe - Breitling's #2: Johnny Foreigner's self-produced magnum opus (2011) - Breitling was running a JF-themed blog for a while - Kumar's #2: A punk explosion of political anger from Superchunk (2018) - Still vital after all these years - Breitling's #1: Post-punk legend Walter Schreifels' debut solo album (2010) - Sincere folk rock with incredible hooks - Kumar's #1: Bowie's final album was a masterpiece (2016) - Recorded in secret with an unknown jazz band - He thought he had more time, but died a few days after the album came out - That's a decade Completely Conspicuous is available through the iTunes podcast directory. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

5 Nov 201931min

Completely Conspicuous 516: Tally It Up

Completely Conspicuous 516: Tally It Up

It's part 2 of my conversation with guest Jay Breitling as we discuss our favorite music of the past decade. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - Breitling's top 10 aren't ranked in order - JB's #10: 2014 compilation of singles by Cookies - Experimental stuff, hooks galore - JK's #10: Magnum opus by Titus Andronicus (2010) - Sprawling album with lots of guest stars, loosely based on Civil War - JB's #9: Breakout 2013 album from Speedy Ortiz - Hot '90s indie rock sound - JK's #9: Double album from Toronto's Fucked Up (2011) - Sound of hardcore singer fronting Velocity Girl - JB's #8: Dan Bejar brings the heat in 2011 with Destroyer - Catchy '80s yacht rock vibe - JK's 8: Jeff Rosenstock's post-election response (2018) - Deals with disappointment and hitting your 30s - JB's #7: Snowball II with an early '90s homage (2017) - Produced by Kurt Heasley of Lilys - JK's 7: Epic 2013 release from Queens of the Stone Age - Near-death experience led to different lyrical approach - JB's #6: The only War On Drugs worth fighting (2014) - Adam Granduciel's mainstream breakthrough, attracting scorn from Mark Kozelek - JK's #6: Arctic Monkeys continue evolving their sound (2013) - Incorporated funk and hip hop beats into their indie rock - JB's #5: Infinity Girl's debut for Topshelf (2015) - Underappreciated shoegaze masterpiece - JK's #5: Bob Mould's first album with Narducy and Wurster (2012) - First of a strong stretch of ass-kickers, on par with his work with Sugar - JB's #4: She Sir's 2014 release is painstakingly crafted - Shimmering shoegaze - JK's #4 and JB's #3: Courtney Barnett burst on the scene with strong 2015 debut - Interesting lyrics combined with hot rock guitar - To be continued: Our top picks Completely Conspicuous is available through the iTunes podcast directory. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

28 Okt 20191h 2min

Completely Conspicuous 515: Be Kind and Rewind

Completely Conspicuous 515: Be Kind and Rewind

It's part 1 of my conversation with guest Jay Breitling as we discuss our favorite music of the past decade. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - We did this 10 years ago, a little differently - Ten years is a long time inside a car - The shift from downloads to streaming - Not everything is available from streaming services - iTunes didn't die, it was just split up - Music can also disappear from streaming services - Original MP3 players only held a handful of songs - The kids like the vinyl - Concerts business has evolved: Bands are playing smaller venues - Who the hell are the Chainsmokers? - Bands we like can't fill hockey rinks - Nobody's making money off albums - It's all merch - Vinyl and box sets are big bucks - Lots of reissues - Albums that didn't make our top 10 - Breitling: Releases from Lubec, Funeral Advantage, Hop Along, LCD Soundsystem - Kumar: LCD Soundsystem, Grinderman, Arcade Fire, Wild Flag, Sloan, Destroyer, METZ, Savages, Speedy Ortiz, Kurt Vile, Ex Hex, Protomartyr, Run the Jewels, Ty Segall, The War on Drugs, Jeff Rosenstock, IDLES, Fucked Up, Sharon Van Etten, PUP - To be continued: On to the top 10 Completely Conspicuous is available through the iTunes podcast directory. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

23 Okt 20191h 1min

Completely Conspicuous 514: A Punk Rock Future

Completely Conspicuous 514: A Punk Rock Future

I'm joined by guest Steve Zisson as we discuss the new sci-fi short story anthology he compiled, A Punk Rock Future. Show notes: - Recorded at CompCon world HQ - Take 2 of our conversation after the first one didn't record - A Punk Rock Future is available on Oct. 8 - Book mashes up Steve's love of punk rock and science fiction - Inspired by other self-published sci-fi anthologies - Steve and I go back to the late '80s when we were both newspaper reporters - Later worked together at three different companies - Zisson: Love for sci-fi started with the original Star Trek series - Wrote sci-fi in his teens, but then went into journalism - Jay: Realized that chemical engineering wasn't the path for me and decided to go into journalism - Zisson: Got into music in the mid-'70s, including early incarnation of the Cars (R.I.P., Ric Ocasek) - Was going to see bands like Queen, the Kinks, Roxy Music before checking out early punk acts - Saw Ocasek and Ben Orr's pre-Cars band Cap'n Swing at a small club in Nahant, Mass. - Then a year or so later, sees the Cars playing at UMass right before they hit it big - Then would go see the Clash, the Jam, and local Boston punk acts like the Neighborhoods and DMZ - Zisson got back into writing sci-fi around 2012 - Would dedicate time to write in his spare time - Discovered a lot of great young writers - Got a few stories published in well-known sci-fi journals and sites - More ways to get published now, but more competition, too - Used to be primarily U.S. writers, now more international - Came up with the idea for the book after 2016 election - Drew parallel to late '70s and talked to some writers about "a punk rock future" as an anthology idea - Put the call out for stories and got over 400 submissions - Started a Kickstarter to raise $5,000 to pay the authors selected - Enlisted former Webnoize colleagues to help read the submissions - With music now, there's so much out there, it's impossible to keep up - The goal of the project was to get it done and showcase the authors - One of the authors, Sarah Pinsker, has a new book out that's getting good buzz called A Song For a New Day - A Punk Rock Future is available on Amazon and at indie bookstores - Don't confuse Steve Zisson with Steve Zissou - Next up: Get some more writing done - Maybe do an anthology of really short stories, like an album of 2-minute songs Completely Conspicuous is available through the iTunes podcast directory. Subscribe and write a review! The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.

30 Sep 20191h 5min

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