Part 17 - Dr. Bill Schindler on Food, Our Ancestors, and How We Became Human

Part 17 - Dr. Bill Schindler on Food, Our Ancestors, and How We Became Human

Dr. Bill Schindler is the director of the Eastern Shore Food Lab at Washington College where he is also an associate professor of archaeology and anthropology. Two years ago he co-hosted the National Geographic show The Great Human Race. He spent the last year abroad continuing his hands-on research and professional development by immersing himself and his family with indigenous and traditional groups around the world to learn about their food and diets. As an experimental archaeologist and primitive technologist his specialties are in recreating technologies of the past to better interpret our ancestral diets. His current focus is learning how to translate the outcomes of that research into something meaningful for modern day diet and health and is working to fuse lessons from our ancestral dietary past with modern culinary arts to create a food system that is relevant, accessible and meaningful to modern Western life.

We got into so many interesting things like the development of humans and how it tracked with food technology, drinking blood and milk with pastoral tribes in Africa, eating brains, ancient food preparation and hunting, my favorite topic - nutrient density, and so much more. It was so enlightening talking to him, I'll stop talking now so you can have a listen.

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Show Notes

  • Dr. Bill Schindler is a professor at Washington College in Maryland
  • Director of Eastern Shore Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
  • His whole life has led up to his career and interests
  • His dad took him into nature and he learned to deal with taking an animal's life even though he didn't enjoy it
  • Also grew up with mom and grandmother in kitchen cooking - realized it was all connected
  • Learned to hunt and make tools as our ancestors did
  • He became what's known as an experimental archeologist
  • Almost every single primitive technology made is related to food. Every tool and invention was based on getting food, processing food, storing food
  • THe realization of the different types of food processing made all the difference
  • Food processing of the past all focused on INCREASING nutrient density
  • All modern food processing focused on money savings, shipping, shelf life, etc.
  • Modern food processing also DECREASES nutrient density
  • Not everything new we do is bad though
  • Dairy is a hot topic. Just because we didn't always consume it or other mammals don't consume it past a certain time in their life, doesn't mean it's not healthy (if you tolerate it)
  • Everything changed 3.4 million years ago when we made the first tool
  • Humans are one of the weakest species on the planet on our own
  • Our bodies and brains were quite small before we created tools to access meat
  • Our digestive systems are actually pretty inefficient. We need to process our food with tools and fire to feed our large brains
  • We have bones from Ethiopia that have butcher marks on them from this time, as well as impact fractures to get bone marrow inside
  • 2 million years ago the invention of fire and some other hunting techniques were monumental for our species
  • Humans started off as scavengers
  • Once we started actually hunting ourselves we had first access to the animals we killed so therefore all the most nutrient dense, choice parts like the organ meats, etc.
  • Results in a huge increase in body and brain size and women catch up in size to men more
  • We mimic other animals in techniques of acquiring and processing foods
  • Our biology isn't set up to eat meat like other carnivores - humans are set up to use tools and technology to consume nutrient dense animal products
  • As we changed our diets, our bodies adapted to it. Homo sapiens wouldn't have made it 300,000 years ago if we didn't develop these extensions of our physical form necessary to cook and process meat
  • We have brains that require high quality animal fats to function
  • What is domestication? Humans were the first domesticated species - we domesticated ourselves
  • Our teeth got smaller as we started relying on processing food outside of our bodies
  • If we had absolutely nothing and were left to survive, the first thing we'd have to do is create a tool or control fire. Our body can do almost nothing on it's own
  • Our food technology tracked with our body and brain size over history
  • Almost all our modern produce was at one point toxic
  • Nobody knows our exact diet 300k years ago, but that doesn't matter - we have certain nutritional requirements that were established
  • We accomplished the impossible back then, but even more impossible we now have gotten ourselves obese and malnourished at the same time
  • We're using modern processing to create nutrient-free food and it is what we are basically programmed to seek out in the modern food environment
  • He argued with a pediatrician who was demanding patients to drink skim milk
  • We evolved away from our chimp ancestors who's digestive systems were made for digesting a ton of plant matter
  • When we became bipedal 5-7 million years ago, everything changed
  • Apes have to eat all day long and have giant jaw muscles to do this and tiny brains
  • Theories on why are brains doubled in size
  • Fat was prized for all of history
  • Eating the ENTIRE animal
  • White meat chicken breasts are the least nutrient dense, newest, wackiest thing we could eat
  • His family rule is kill the animal yourself or know the person who raised and killed it
  • Farmers markets are key
  • The advent of agriculture can clearly be seen in the fossil record with a decrease in physical size and brain size
  • What's the real problem with agriculture?
  • How can we utilize modern agriculture and technology to feed the billions of earth today?
  • Connect yourself to your food. Try foraging. Go hunting. Go to a butcher. Make the foods you like from scratch at least once.
  • Know the story of food
  • Focus on quality
  • Animals are the most nutrient dense foods available, especially the organ meats, brains, marrow, etc.
  • He spent a year abroad in places like Kenya and Mongolia and studied many hunter gatherers such as the Hadza
  • He was with a group that brought down a genet cat and ate all the organs immediately
  • They were continuously hunting and gathering and hide a very varied diet
  • Picturesque physiques with wide, healthy jaws, white teeth, big smiles, almost prancing as they ran
  • Just blood and milk diet for 6 months
  • How to have a meaningful conversation about diet, health, and sustainability
  • Took a year off to live with these cultures and wrote a book
  • His TV show on NatGeo called The Great Human Race http://www.natgeotv.com/int/the-great-human-race
  • We must use the lessons of the past to learn what to do now and the future
  • He painstakingly made all the period-accurate clothes for the show by hand
  • How did our ancient ancestors lived based on this knowledge?
  • We weren't "surviving" - we must have been thriving to be able to continue having many babies who could then propagate our species
  • Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
  • His personal site http://ancestralinsight.com
  • Follow all his work over the past year http://FoodEvolutions.org
  • Twitter http://twitter.com/drbillschindler
  • Join the Sapien Movement http://SapienMovement.com

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Part 32 - Stephan Guyenet, PhD on the Brain Controlling Body Fatness, Your Food Environment, and Low Carb Controversy

Part 32 - Stephan Guyenet, PhD on the Brain Controlling Body Fatness, Your Food Environment, and Low Carb Controversy

Today we're talking to Stephan Guyenet who has a degree in biochemistry and a PhD in neuroscience. He's spent over 12 years in the neuroscience research world studying neurodegenerative disease and the neuroscience of body fatness. He wrote a great book called The Hungry Brain, speaks at conferences, is a Senior Fellow at GiveWell and scientific reviewer for the Examine.com Research Digest. He is definitely not a low carb person which is why I had him on. He has a lot of great ideas and is a great mind in the space of nutrition. It was very interesting to hear him talk about all the great benefits he did see when he ate a low carb diet 11 years ago. Make sure to listen until the end when he talks about this. He has some problems with certain people and aspects of the low carb community and is going on Joe Rogan's podcast soon to debate Gary Taubes on his views of the Carbohydrate Insulin theory of obesity and sugar being uniquely toxic We had some disagreement on the recommended daily allowance of nutrients - he thinks what's recommended is all you need and getting more than that is pointless. I think this is wrong. I think he's basing it on studies of worthless, non-bioavailable vitamin C pills that in excess do nothing. So in that - I agree. I don't think there's any benefit to popping a bunch of these and think we're going to cure a cold. I do know that our ancestors got estimates of 10-20 times the amount of nutrients we get today, so there's a lot more to this discussion that we didn't have time to get into. We also disagreed on fiber which led to some carnivore talk. He got some things wrong about the member of the Grateful Dead who was a carnivore. He said he died at a young age of a heart attack. I looked into it and it turns out he was carnivore for 48 years and was in excellent health and died in a car accident at 72. He also says we don't have longterm studies on the safety of low carb diets at the end. This isn't exactly true and furthermore, we have hundreds of thousands of years of human populations living on low carb diets to prove its safety and efficacy. He additionally mentions the low carb community makes crazy claims that aren't based on science. I'm not sure what he's referring to. Not everything can be measured anyway. If tens of thousands of people report to their doctor they aren't hungry anymore, their energy is stable, their brain is working better, they aren't addicted to sugar, they finally have control of their food intake, etc. then this is some great clinical observations and patient anecdotes that add up to a lot. I think everyone has their own ideas about things and collects info to support their opinion. It's only natural, and I'm sure I'm doing it to, even though I'm trying not to. Everyone has to be in their camp and collect data and narratives to support their theories. He seemed to do this as you'll see throughout the episode. I agreed with a lot of his points though, especially that humans didn't evolve to eat based on tracking macros and calories and using an excel spreadsheet to figure out what to eat. He's doing great work and looking at this from a different angle which is important. A lot of interesting stuff here so let's get to it. But first I gotta mention the Food Lies film which is in the last stretch of crowdfunding on Indiegogo. We really need your help to finish it. We have a bunch of cool perks like the Eat Meat T-shirt, the movie poster, bonus features, and more. Find it through FoodLies.org or by clicking through this link in the show notes. I really appreciate it - and now here's Stephan Guyenet. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes I'm obsessed with why we get fat and what to do about it and you've been researching this for a long time Why the brain is the most important place to focus on The brain regulates how much we eat, our food choices, and our exercise There's also non conscious processes the brain regulates that influence caloric expenditure, etc. We also study the human genome to find how that plays a role in body fatness When it comes to body weight, the genes that relate the most are in the brain Nobody wants to overeat, but we end up doing it anyway We need to look at our past to understand why we are wired to seek excess calories Animals and hunter gatherers we've studied follow the Optimum Foraging Theory when they acquire food. It's all about the calories per the amount of effort Because we were eating whole foods from nature, if we got enough calories, we by default we're getting all the vitamins and minerals needed They didn't have white flour, sugar, or refined oils We only have receptors for fat, sugar, salt, and glutamate Apparently those are the nutrients that natural selection cared about most to create reward systems for The Hadza people went mainly for meat, tubers, and honey and didn't go for leafy greens The brain is motivated to pursue calorie containing foods, not vitamins and minerals Combining bliss points make certain foods almost irresistible You need to control your food environment Not only don't have it sitting out so you can see certain foods, don't even have them in the house How do genetics play a role? We know it's way more to do with the type of foods eaten About 70% of people in countries like the US are genetically susceptible to become obese when eating the bad diet that exists there. The remaining percent just aren't as susceptible and can get away with it Energy balance while always be a fact, but there's a lot more to it Eat less, move more may work for some people, but it's not how we evolved. It's not a natural way to regulate body weight You can set up a food environment to allow your body to naturally eat the right amount You'd have to be hungry all the time to continue eating processed foods and try to lose weight His definition and thoughts on nutrient density Questioning the necessity of fiber His views on the carnivore diet - he thinks a big factor is becoming lean and it certainly does that He questions if there's long term chronic disease problems that we don't know about Inuit seek some plant matter Sound engineer from the Grateful Dead who was carnivore for 48 years - Stephan said he died of a heart attack at a young age. Turns out he was super healthy and died of a car accident at 72. His book https://justmeat.co/docs/the-bear.pdf They call him "Bear" https://dangerousminds.net/comments/uncle_johns_ham_the_grateful_deads_all-meat_diet Wikipedia on him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley Stephan agrees with what I always say about going to either end of the extreme with super low carb or super low fat you have great benefits He's going on Joe Rogan's podcast to debate Gary Taubes on his views of the Carbohydrate Insulin theory of obesity and sugar being uniquely toxic What happened with Gary Taubes and Dr. Peter Attia's non profit venture NuSI - the Nutritional Science Initiative? What Stephan got wrong in his blog posts Why he thinks Gary Taubes is wrong and what is the evidence He doesn't like the fact that Gary is calling out scientists Exercise and weight loss The model of obesity he subscribes to is that it's all regulated by the brain Homeostatic regulation - hypothalamus controls body fatness like a thermostat The hormone leptin sends feedback to your brain regarding body fat levels Personal fat threshold, how someone can be skinny on the outside but fat on the inside, people can be obese but metabolically healthy, and insulin as a dam holding back fat in the cells He doesn't think that eating an insulin lowering diet like low carb allows you to lose weight because of the lowered insulin He thinks low carb diets and low fat diets work merely because you're taking away the extreme motivation to overeat the foods, AKA hyperplatability Potato hack Metabolic flexibility He thinks being metabolically inflexible is more a sign of insulin resistance than anything He eats about 50% carb, 18% protein, 32% fat He ate a low carb diet after reading Taubes' book Good Calories, Bad Calories 11 years ago He said it was about the same but one benefit was that he wasn't tied to meal times. Eating high carb he definitely knew when it was time to eat. Easier to fast He was easily doing 24 hour fasts. Now on high carb it's way harder and he experiences brain fog Why are low carb diets so maligned in the mainstream media and medical system? What are his solutions for fixing the nation's health problems? His book The Hungry Brain http://www.stephanguyenet.com/thehungrybrain/ His website http://www.stephanguyenet.com His Twitter https://twitter.com/whsource Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

13 Mars 20191h 33min

Part 31 - Dr. Jeff Volek on Carb Intolerance, Reversing Type 2 Diabetes, and Personalized Nutrition

Part 31 - Dr. Jeff Volek on Carb Intolerance, Reversing Type 2 Diabetes, and Personalized Nutrition

I talk to a lot of great people on this podcast but this may be the man who really knows this stuff at the deepest level and most qualified to talk about fat adaptation and ketogenic diets & therapies. He has been doing amazing work in this field for such a long time. Dr. Jeff Volek is a professor, researcher, registered dietitian, and co-founder and Chief Science Officer of Virta Health. For the last two decades, Dr. Volek has performed cutting edge research on how humans adapt to diets restricted in carbohydrates with a dual focus on clinical and performance applications of nutritional ketosis. His scholarly work includes more than 300 peer-reviewed scientific manuscripts and five books, including a New York Times Best Seller, and he has provided more than 200 lectures at scientific and industry conferences around the world. He's an all around great guy and someone I admire. He very rarely does interviews so I was honored to spend some time with him. He is busy running his lab at OSU while also being a co-founder of a major health company I mention a lot called Virta. My company SAPIEN which you can find out more about at SAPIEN.org is producing technology similar to them. They use an app as well as devices like a smart scale to help monitor patients and keep them accountable as well as communicate with a health coach as they reverse type 2 diabetes with diet and lifestyle. We're doing the same thing at SAPIEN so if you are a healthcare provider or a health coach and are interested in our platform please reach out to us via our site SAPIEN.org Before we start the interview I want to ask people who have gotten any value out of this podcast to support me by contributing to the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign. Go to FoodLies.org and pre-order the film or check out the great perks we're offering like the EAT MEAT shirt, movie poster, and Real Foods coin. We rely on the community to make this podcast and film a reality. I'm seriously on my last dollar here and the post production of the film is slowing down due to budget constraints. I really appreciate the support. You can also click through the show notes in your podcast app to support the film. Thanks, and here's Dr. Jeff Volek. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post SHOW NOTES He presented some of his research at the Metabolic Health Summit in Long Beach at the beginning of February Keto is very popular these days but it's a double-edged sword His interests in ketogenic research are broad including metabolic disease, type 2 diabetes, athletes, military personnel, etc. He's studying tons of military applications to help them deal with energy, fatigue, recovery, cognitive function, etc. He and Dr. Steve Phinney wrote the great book The Art & Science of Low Carb Living which should be perfect for the savvy nutrition folks listening to this podcast https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708 The concept of carb intolerance What percentage of the population might be carb intolerant? Before the agricultural revolution humans had very little access to carbohydrate Low carb or ketogenic diets are what our bodies were made to run on There's probably only a small percentage of the population that is tolerant to these refined and abundant carbs in the modern food environment Carb tolerance also goes down with age What's great is that basically everyone can adapt to a low carb diet and this makes sense from an evolutionary perspective We all have the ability to run on fat but eating a ton of carbs suppresses that It's helping to treat diabetes (reverse it or put it in remission), cancer, neurological diseases The preponderance of trials shows low carb diets are superior to low fat diets in a free living setting There was interest and studies in ketogenic diets for weight loss in the 50s and 60s but then we hit the "dark ages" of this research with the USDA guidelines and it was basically toxic to study low carb in the 70s, 80s, and 90s There's been a huge amount of research done in the last 20 years that supports low carb diets There's so much entrenched beliefs and momentum behind low fat paradigm it just takes a while to get past it - we're doing really well actually The dietary guidelines don't reflect the current body of science They dietary guidelines actually matter - affect what kids eat at school, military eat, what's taught to dietitians I think we should have two dietary strategies offered as the official guidelines instead of ending up high fat AND high carb like most americans artoday Dr. Volek believes low carb should be the preferred option for those with any sort of metabolic syndrome Personalized nutrition is the future but we're just scratching the surface Mapping the genome and genetic testing aren't really panning out He's looking at some biomarkers to help tell if people are mismanaging carbs What about eating more protein? It's pretty straightforward to implement a ketogenic diet but it's also pretty challenging in modern society His company Virta http://virtahealth.com is working on tools for this I'm doing something similar with SAPIEN http://sapien.org They use technology to efficiently scale the program to thousands and potentially millions of patients Dr. Sarah Hallberg ran the clinical trials and showed amazing efficacy of the program and keto diet in reversing type 2 diabetes Their blood sugar and hemoglobin A1c values were normalized which is pretty unheard of in the standard treatment of T2D They recommend eating fat to satiety but limit carbs and protein to achieve ketosis They recommend 1.2 to 2 grams of protein per pound of reference bodyweight Ketones have an anti-catabolic effect so they decrease protein breakdown - so no need to overeat protein Some people report less than ideal body composition on a ketogenic diet - may be because not getting enough minerals and electrolytes You can get a stress response as a result from this - sympathetic nervous system response and aldosterone causes potassium to be wasted as it tries to absorb more sodium If you have low sodium that has a negative effect on your protein status He has another book called The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance focused on athletics He had a great presentation at the conference I missed In the 60s and 70s Scandinavian researchers found out about the importance of muscle glycogen which led to the concept of carb loading A coach out of Florida invented Gatorade a bit later and then the Gatorade Sports Science Institute formed which really influenced our view sports and exercise science Since the 1960s it's been unanimous that all athletes should eat as much carbohydrate as possible before, during, and after exercise. It's pretty insane. And there's multi-billion dollar industries behind it to keep it this way He thinks athletes should be consuming as few carbs as possible while maintaining peak performance Consuming all these carbs are like absorbing punches to your body - you can get away with it for a while but the damage builds up It also prevents them from being able to burn their own fat He rewrote the textbooks and what was possible with VO2 max and fat oxidation in his FASTER study Ultra distance runners are winning races fat-adapted Burning basically 100% fat for 3 hours during tests They're recovering better, not relying on tons of sugar and refined carbs packs, better GI function, and have greater enjoyment exercising He also studies military applications which overlap with these athletic advantages He says more importantly even are the cognitive benefits of the ketogenic diet They are also studying the effects of ketones on inflammatory pathways, an association with less oxidative stress, perhaps better immune functioning So far being in ketosis has been found to help people recover faster, cope with stress better, improved mental clarity and cognitive function Also helpful for traumatic brain injuries There's so much more that needs to be studied and there's so much promise for new applications of ketosis We need to support federal and private funding of research on ketogenic diets and therapies Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

6 Mars 201959min

Part 30 - Dr. Tro on the Psychology of Obesity, Losing 150 Pounds (and how to do the same), and Not Even Knowing Why He Was Fat

Part 30 - Dr. Tro on the Psychology of Obesity, Losing 150 Pounds (and how to do the same), and Not Even Knowing Why He Was Fat

Welcome back, everyone. I'm working hard to make each episode very informative and get great guests that bring something unique to the table. I go for quality over quantity. I love having guests with new messages and insights that we haven't heard before, and Dr. Tro is one of these great sources of information. People have been requesting a weight loss journey - someone who's actually lost a ton of weight themselves. Not only did Dr. Tro lose 150 pounds, but he's a… you guessed it… doctor. He helps people figure out how to transform their body and health on a daily basis. This is real world application here, people. There's so many sides to this stuff and the psychology behind eating (and more importantly overeating) is huge. He knows a lot about what it means to be obese and make these changes and make them last. He was 350 pounds 3 years ago and has kept off the weight despite the usual statistics of 97% of people just putting it back on. This was no easy feat and if you haven't seen a photo of him, he's actually pretty ripped. We start off with some social media controversy about a post I made that rubbed some people with food addiction the wrong way. The episode is about so much more than that, so keep listening and I think there's huge value for anyone and everyone in this episode. Once again, I have to talk about the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign. Basically all podcasts have sponsors to pay the bills. My film is this sponsor. I've turned down other sponsors and could be making quite a bit based on the expanding audience of the show. I'd really rather not do this so please support the film if you're enjoying the podcast and the lack of annoying ads. This film is my baby and I've spent an immeasurable amount of my time and own money on it. I know it will all be worth it when it's completed, so please help me get there. Go to FoodLies.org to click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click on the link in the show notes. Thanks so much and here's Dr. Tro. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes I made a remark on social media that was supposed to be motivational and ended up backfiring Food addiction is something Dr. Tro knows a lot about Controversial topic - Dr. Robert Lustig has a book on it http://www.robertlustig.com/hacking/ Is you buy and eat the correct food you shouldn't be hungry all the time I have my own food addiction - once I start eating I can't stop His wife had to hide food from him He didn't know why his appetite was so messed up I wrote the post under the context of it being inspirational and that people who follow my accounts would understand what I'm talking about and what foods they should be eating He thought he was "meant" to be obese. That it was his genetics. His family was all overweight This was reinforced in medical school where they taught him that it was genetic 75% of patients he sees for weight issues have a history of childhood trauma People don't even realize how much they're eating If you're eating processed foods stuffed with carbs and sugar it's basically impossible to be full Even nutritionists and doctors don't know how much they really eat - when asked they are off by 20% Satiety is the most important thing we need to be talking about - some people don't even realize different foods provide different satiety Liquid calories are enemy #1 Layne Norton and bodybuilders are way different than the normal person Counting calories doesn't work - we have calories listed everywhere for decades, we have My Fitness Pal, it's plainly obvious it doesn't work Our bodies don't have a calorie receptor to know how much we have eaten or need to eat When glycemia shifts (blood sugar up then down) you're going to be hungry He levels out their blood sugar with a LCHF diet. Can do it whole foods plant based if the patient has that personal preference Low fat approach not good in long term because it knocks down hormones like CCK and neuropeptide YY Once you're fat adapted you're not beholden to food for energy A lot of hunger is just mental at this point - you have hundreds of thousands of calories of fat stored on your body you can use Cortisol makes you hungry and your blood sugar to swing Part of helping people to lose weight is coaching them on what to do in times of stress He advises people to just eat protein and fat if they're hungry in the early stages - they can build up to being more strict later. They also will be full for hours after eating the right foods. Anything to avoid the donut He can eat 3 pounds of meat at once - overeat his satiety signaling Hyper palatability comes when you add sugar + fat Formerly or currently obese have large stomach volumes and need more tools to not overeat and be full He doesn't recommend a lot of vegetables and fiber but it has its place to fill the stomach from a volume perspective He didn't know this before. None of the other doctors or nutritionists around him knew it either We've all been given useless and bogus advice on weight loss for the past 50 years There's not only 1 way to do things If one of his obese binge eating patients gets told by a conventional dietician to eat a portion-controlled low-fat diet it's a setup for complete failure He's totally against myplate.gov - conventional advice didn't help him and won't help anyone that comes to see him On all conventional diets: "instead of telling people how to be full, they're telling people how to be hungry" He puts his health program online for anyone to see and has virtual visits and programs http://doctortro.com He's also opening a brick and mortar clinic in New York Many people claim to not like beef - I think it's because of all the propaganda against it all these years. They think it's bad for them deep down and can't get over it People also say they don't feel well on a low carb diet - they probably just aren't fat adapted yet. The keto flu can be bad Just because fat is good doesn't mean you can eat unlimited amounts of it Reasons for stalls: carb creep, fat creep, or alcohol Need to learn to cook in a framework One reason carnivore probably works is through restricting foods. If you restrict anything people tend to eat 25% less His story of losing 150 pounds without exercising much and then training for a 5k with barely any carbs Layne Norton is talking about pop tarts and bro scientists are talking about how you have to have carbs for your brain or for energy Dr. Tro went from the worst at 99th percentile to the top 1% percentile in the 5K without any carbs He was fasting 20+ hours per day for the last 6 months and his bench, squat, and deadlift all went up 99.5% of athletes don't need carbohydrates. Maybe if you're a professional and elite athlete they could help Had Luis Villasenor on season 2 who is a giant muscular guy and doesn't eat carbs Dr. Tro went to the science and found low carb - don't understand why guys like Layne Norton call people low carb zealots In an ad libitum free living setting (which is how every single one of us live are life) low carbs diets consistently outperform low fat diets Layne Norton's flexible dieting and "if it fits your macros" is in no way science based yet he constantly talks about how he's all about the science Every other diet he dismisses and disses is based on science except his Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

27 Feb 20191h 11min

Part 29 - Dr. Gary Fettke on the History of the Anti-meat Agenda, Disinformation, and Being Silenced by his Medical Board

Part 29 - Dr. Gary Fettke on the History of the Anti-meat Agenda, Disinformation, and Being Silenced by his Medical Board

Season 3 is in full swing with worldwide leaders in their field talking about the latest science of nutrition and health. To catch people up I'm Brian Sanders and I've quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I'm trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I'm not a doctor or nutritionist. I'm a mechanical engineer and I've lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don't fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I've interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I'd like to share. A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it's not all about the film. I'm spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I'll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms. Dr. Gary Fettke has an amazing tale of deceit, deception, disinformation, conspiring dietitians, medical evangelism, his medical board attempting to silence him, and even John Harvey Kellogg, founder of the cereal company and his anti-masterbation mission. A lot going on here and a lot of alliteration as well. Dr. Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia. He practices preventative medicine and helps treat patients long before resorting to surgical interventions. Like Professor Tim Noakes, he stood up to his medical board and powers that be that were trying to stop him from dispensing simple and logical nutrition advice like eating fresh, local, and seasonal foods instead of processed foods. He spent 3 years of his own time and money on this absurdity before being exonerated of all charges. Strap yourselves in folks, this is a good one! As I'm recording this I'm dealing with the harsh realities of a measly budget and worries of how to finish the Food Lies documentary properly. If you haven't supported it yet, please consider doing that now. It's a true community-powered project. If enough people pre-order the film at a pretty reasonable cost of $25 we can complete this in a matter of months instead of maybe a year. That's what we're facing if we don't have the funds. This will be made no matter what, don't be worried about that. This is my life's work and all I care about right now. Thanks for your help - just go to FoodLies.org and click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click through the link in the show notes. We have an amazing woman named Amanda adding in $20 more for each person who contributes. Please take her up on her kind offer today. Also, please leave a review of the podcast on itunes or the Apple podcast app. I sent out a care package to listener Aaron from Ohio yesterday who had the review of the week. I really appreciate these reviews and they help get the podcast more visibility. And now here's Dr. Gary Fettke. https://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes Dr. gary Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia Part of his job entails cutting off toes and limbs of type 2 diabetes patients He uncovered documents proving the collusion of the food industry (Kellogg's and other cereal/grains companies) to target him and 7 other Australians They feel that low carb and paleo diets are hurting their sales and want to do something about it All he was promoting was to reduce sugar, refined grains, and industrial oils which he calls the model of inflammation By doing this you are eating low carb healthy fat and avoiding processed foods. Pretty simple… but directly against the big food manufacturers He was also saying red meat was ok He was silenced by his medical board and wasn't allowed to ever give nutritional advice again Was finally thrown out years later after much time, expense, and lobbying He originally thought it was about the science, but that was simple and they had all the facts on their side Found out about the vested interests and the role of the 7th day adventist church There's an article in a journal called Religion where they pretty much self-admit all of this - so it sounds crazy, but it's all true Traced the beginning to America in 1917 when the American Dietetics Association was born They are responsible for much of the textbooks and teachings in that era A woman named Lena Cooper was instrumental in founding this organization. She was a vegetarian and 7th day adventist She worked with John Harvey Kellogg who went on to found the cereal company Kellogg's The 7th day adventists started with the visions of Ellen G. White who believed meat was unclean and made men violent and also caused masterbation It started around the temperance movement when there was push to ban alcohol and eat clean and close to God Kellogg grew up typesetting for the Adventists and raised by those principles He later founded the Sanitarium in Battle Creek Michigan and owns the patent for corn flakes He created it as a bland food that would help stop masterbation - if you don't believe it, google "kellogg cereal anti-masterbation" Her beliefs were based on visions she had as a girl People were leaving the farms and coming into the cities during this time - meat had to be transported without refrigeration They believed in the "Garden of Eden Diet" which was all plants and included cereals, grains, fruit, veg, nuts, and legumes. It's still what's promoted today It keeps evolving and they keep changing the story on why meat is bad. First it's meat causes violence, then meat causes masterbation, then they moved to meat causes cancer, then meat causes heart disease, and finally meat is destroying the environment The adventists are the world's 2nd leading educator behind the Catholic church yet only have 0.3% of the world's population 7th day adventists also connected with bringing in soy and all the fake meat products from China 7th day adventists own 22 food industries outside of the US 7th day adventists produce over 4,000 "food products" made of processed plant foods 7th day adventists have 8,000 schools around the world 7th day adventists are proud of their medical evangelism 7th day adventists own over 60 publishing houses 7th day adventists over 850 radio stations 7th day adventists 441 TV stations (in 2016) 7th day adventists did 70,000 podcasts (2016 report) with 1.1 billion downloads 7th day adventists are also inserting their vegetarian agenda in medical textbooks and journals 7th day adventists inserted backend material on 99% of medical software in Australia (2017 report) - This means if you are a doctor and look up any printed material for a patient it's all Adventist vegetarian material Generational education - this is the problem It's repeated so many times and in all the textbooks for so long, we just believe it Food manufacturers embrace these plant-based ideas and make more money - they stuff sugra, refined grains, and polyunsaturated oils in the food and it lasts longer and has a higher profit margin Watch out for the terms "lifestyle medicine" and "exercise is medicine" - these are being pushed by the food industries and organizations like ILSI started by Coca-cola EAT Lancet published a study mid-january and a new "planetary diet" that is supposed to be good for your health and the good for the environment. THe face of the organization is a billionaire vegan and all the big food companies are behind it There's an article that came out recently saying the vast majority of the 37 experts that made up the diet don't follow it This diet is back to the Garden of Eden diet - all plant based with a little bit of meat thrown in The United Nations and the World Health Organization are being influenced by a group of activists I think there's been such a successful anti-meat campaign for so many decades people can't even think otherwise He says people are gullible and it's crazy to get your health information from the news Kellogg's, Unilever, and PepsiCo are the ones selling you this information There's also powerful films convincing young people that meat is ruining the world Veganism is highest amongst teenage girls - they've become the foot soldiers of the food industry Vegan activists surrounded a teenage girl doing her job at a zoo Our biggest export is our topsoil - we're losing it Take back the buying power of these food companies by shopping locally at a farmers market When you search for "low carb bread" on youtube anti-low carb videos are being advertised Dr. Gary Fettke says "Eat fresh, local, and seasonal" Everything he talks about is based on biochemistry but most of the other side is based on association and propaganda Nutrition science doesn't use the scientific method a lot of the time A lot of nutrition is based on what's cheap and easy to produce and palatable They're spreading disinformation - purposeful misinformation Food companies are using the same tactics as tobacco companies used We have followed the recommendations - our whole grain and fruits/veg consumption went up and red meat went down, but we only got fatter and sicker Our cattle numbers have actually been decreasing over the last few decades Vegan diet falls apart when you look at the science My podcast with Dr. David Klurfeld comes up who was on the WHO panel that decided meat was a carcinogen who talked about it being full of vegans with undeclared agendas https://www.peak-human.com/home/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-causing-cancer-bogus-vegetarian-scientists-and-balanced-nutrition Vegetarian research papers are written by 7th day adventist vegans Coca-cola uses "exercise as medicine" to throw people off from the sugar water they are drinking I say we should "eat densely, move intensely" and that "eat less, move more" is a worthless statement To enact change you need to start with yourself and not wait for government and guidelines to change Back in the 40s and 50s when we were healthy we'd eat once per week or have 1 soda per week - it was a treat - a special occasion. Now people eat like this every day, all day In farming communities it was traditional to maybe eat only 1 main meal per day Snacking and constantly eating it a totally new thing You don't have to wither away and have a terrible quality of life You can either be pushed into home plate in a wheelchair drooling on yourself or you can slide in with a cloud of dust Find him at http://nofructose.com http://isupportgary.com Facebook: Belinda Fettke No Fructose Dr. Gary Fettke on twitter http://twitter.com/fructoseno Belinda Fettke on Twitter: http://twitter.com/belindafettke Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

20 Feb 20191h 4min

Part 28 - Dr Ryan Lowery on the Benefits of Being Fat Adapted, Life Extension, and Positivity

Part 28 - Dr Ryan Lowery on the Benefits of Being Fat Adapted, Life Extension, and Positivity

Aaaaand we're back! Thanks for waiting patiently for season 3. We have an all-star lineup of guests and many interviews already in the can ready to be released. To catch people up I'm Brian Sanders and I've quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I'm trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I'm not a doctor or nutritionist. I'm a mechanical engineer and I've lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don't fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I've interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I'd like to share. A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it's not all about the film. I'm spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I'll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms. Today I'm talking to Ryan Lowery who is a PhD in Health and Human Performance and a researcher studying cellular, molecular and whole body changes in muscle size, strength, and power in response to novel nutrition, training and supplement interventions. He's also the president of the Applied Science and Performance Institute where he's bridging the gap between the latest research and science and practical application. He runs ketogenic.com which is a great resource to check out. He's the guy that Layne Norton called out in a previous episode. I wanted to get him on to talk about the benefits of being fat adapted and why ketogenic diets are an effective tool in the arsenal. I was actually just hanging out with him at the Metabolic Health Summit. This was an awesome conference put on in part by Dr. Dom D'Agostino who mentioned it last summer in Peak Human episode 6 that I did with him. The top scientists studying ketogenic metabolic therapy were there talking about their latest research and how in conjunction with some other treatments it has been used to shrink brain tumors, prevent epileptic seizures, and even reverse cognitive decline and Alzheimer's. Pretty amazing stuff. So a quick message about the film - please go to FoodLies.org and support us on Indiegogo as we finish post production. We have to cover the cost of our amazing animators, graphic artists, and editors working away on this. I won't sell it anymore, just know I make no money on this and have in fact spent every cent of my savings making it so far. I really appreciate your support. Here's Dr. Ryan Lowery. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes Phinney and Volek set him off - they hadn't run experiments on resistance training He was a high carb athlete chugging 250 grams of carbs just from weight gainer shakes and skeptical about keto and sports performance Endurance athletes can have an advantage by being fat adapted and metabolically flexible to tap into tens of thousands of calories they have in their fat stores Online war with Layne Norton Benefits of being fat adapted Some studies that show when protein and calories are equated there is benefits to running on fat In real world applications, so what if keto people eat more protein, we live in the real world Is it possible that all these amazing results I and others are getting from eating this way is just due to eating at a deficit? Energy balance remains Are all calories the same? Nutrient density is king All calories are certainly not equal - Layne's own studies show this You can eat whey protein and rice and hit your macros and lose weight - doesn't; mean it's healthy. There's studies showing our ancestors ate 10-20 times the vitamins and minerals we eat today Problems with "if it fits your macros" Benefits of running on fat instead of glucose Phospholipids and brain health We lose our tolerance to carbs as we grow older Dr. Michael Rose is the one doing the fruit fly studies - look him up or listen to him on Robb Wolf's podcast #416 You can't force someone to eat a certain way, but you can help them find what they want to do His brother is obese Cyclic keto AKA blowing it out on the weekends Not back in ketosis until thursday I don't care about ketosis necessarily and just eat nutrient dense foods Ketones are muscle sparing - help you retain muscle mass If you're on a long term ketogenic diet your pancreas isn't secreting much insulin and you aren't prepared for a bolus of glucose - don't be super strict then go bananas for a holiday or vacation People on low fat diets can't handle a huge bolus of fat either Gut problems when transitioning to high fat or carnivore Don't get caught up in a tribe Their animal studies on a keto diet for its entire lifespan Visceral fat around the organs is the worst kind of fat Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) which Layne disregarded and said wasn't a thing Layne Norton called out Prof. Tim Noakes as a liar saying that he never had pre-diabetes His message is to make positivity louder Find him at http://ketogenic.com Twitter http://twitter.com/DrRyanLowery Instagram http://instagram.com/ryanplowery Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

14 Feb 201954min

Part 27 - Sally Fallon Morell on the Wise Traditions of our Ancestors & Weston A. Price

Part 27 - Sally Fallon Morell on the Wise Traditions of our Ancestors & Weston A. Price

Sally Fallon Morell is the director and co-founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation. She's spent the last 20 years doing amazing work to promote the wise traditions of our ancestors and their farming, preparation, and consumption of foods. She's written many amazing books such as Nourishing Traditions, Eat Fat, Lose Fat, and a new Book called Nourishing Diets. I really value all that she's done and continues to do. I've come to realize my ideal diet is the one the Weston A. Price Foundation recommends minus the grains, even though they are safe if you prepare them properly as Sally mentions. I'd prefer to run on fat and most people listening probably know the vast benefits of doing this. I want to highlight that they can be safe to eat if you soak them overnight, etc. so if you choose to eat these foods at least do it properly. You may have noticed I'm getting all kinds of people on the show. I don't want to be totally one sided. I'll let people share their differing opinions and not argue with them. That doesn't mean I support their stance. Dr. David Klurfeld, Layne Norton - let's hear what they have to say. I think it would be a disservice to just keep getting people on the show who 100% agree with me. You have to be open to all sides so you're not caught being dogmatic just like vegans and only look at things from one angle or miss the truth because your head is in the sand. All I'm after is truth, and will change my views if necessary. So far, nothing has shaken my belief that we need to eat nutrient dense ancestral diets with a lot of animal fat. I believe it's better to run on fat, and most carbs are pretty worthless because they don't have a lot of nutrients for how much energy they have. You can get the same nutrients that properly sprouted and fermented grains have elsewhere. People doing carnivore. Listen to the teachings of Dr. Price. Eat the whole animal. So much of the good stuff is in the bits and pieces. You can point to many populations over time eating mostly all or even 100% animal foods for long periods or life, and I agree with you, but they weren't eating only muscle meat. I think the best diet out there is basically what Tara Couture, my last podcast guest who's a homestead farmer, feeds her family. The full animal plus fermented veg and other fresh grown veg thrown in. Add in some more exotic foods such as fish eggs, avocado, mushrooms, and coconut oil. You can't get more nutrient dense and less potentially harmful than that. This was our last film tour and we're now actively engaged in post-production for Food Lies. All the T-shirts and rewards are being sent out shortly. You can still pre-order the film and get the other rewards at Indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post which is linked here in the show notes and at FoodLies.org where you can also see the film trailer. Thanks so much for the support and here's Sally. Show Notes Just got back from filming with her on her farm in southern Maryland They mimic nature with regenerative and holistic farming practices and produce raw milk and raw cheese, etc. It's strange that we need an entire organization just help re-educate people on how we have always eaten. It's an uphill battle with a ton of opposition Rotational grazing mimics the grazing and movement of ruminants throughout history Weston A. Price foundation validates traditional farming and eating practices with modern science Demonization of saturated fats Procter & Gamble and the cottonseed oil and Crisco story - they were experts at marketing to housewives of the time Vegetable oils might be worse than trans fat For all of history humans prized animal fat It's insane to give kids skim milk Dr. Price found that different culture all over the world had similar practices of a nutrient dense animal food diet 6 months prior to conception Vegetarian diet 2014 UK study: "our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life." https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable Tooth health is a great indicator of overall health Wide dental arches and face and not needing braces is a sign of good nutrition from pre-conception through the growth phase Our ancestors built up their vitamin A stores well ahead of becoming pregnant by eating organ meats, animal fat, butter, egg yolks, etc. The heart starts growing before the women even knows she's pregnant Prenatal vitamins aren't bioavailable - you need to get the full nutrition from the food you eat The foundation has seen so many examples of healthy, strong, smart, attractive babies born from eating this nutrient dense diet Some of his other studies and observations of kids in youth detention facilities and where he gave different groups of low income kids one nutritious meal per day of beef stew and cod liver oil with really good grass fed butter When displacing foods of modern civilization came in (sugar, flour, canned foods, vegetable oils) the first thing that happened was rampant tooth decay. The next generation had the narrow jaws and crooked teeth People on the traditional diet didn't get tuberculosis He studied the level in vitamins in butter compared to when the cows were on the best grass compared to heart attack rates He also presented data showing the level of minerals in the soil and the correlation to PhDs - the areas that people were born and raised with the most fertile soil produced far more doctors Her new book is called Nourishing Diets and it looks at what populations around the world really ate throughout history. Of course none of them were vegan or vegetarian - they all highly cherished and regarded animal foods https://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Diets-Ancestral-Traditional-Peoples/dp/1538711680 Crushes the original Blue Zones book that tried to claim many long living populations were plant based He actually lied - there's studies showing all the people who got more animal foods and animal fat lived longer than people who didn't She has an article about each one of the 5 blue zones refuting the original author: http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-okinawa/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-sardinia http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-ikaria-greece/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-loma-linda/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-costa-rica/ The China Study is also oft cited by vegetarian zealots. That was a very poorply done study and actually the authors said it was not to be used to draw conclusions from or show causation… although that's exactly what vegan propagandist T. Colin Campbell did She says grains were actually being cultivated before we thought. BUT all the cultures knew to detoxify them by soaking and fermenting them Eating a bunch of whole grains caused a ton of problems in modern society like gluten intolerance, leaky but, SIBO, IBS, and much more. THere's so many anti-nutrients in grains, humans aren't meant to digest them No whole foods are excluded on the Weston A. Price diet. It's all about the context and preparation of your food A little know fact is that brushing your teeth isn't the biggest factor in tooth decay - it's actually your diet. Obviously these non-westernized cultures throughout history didn't have toothpaste, toothbrushes, and flouride, yet they all had near-perfect teeth How the nutrient diet of our ancestors affects jaw development Anecdotally, her parents both had perfect teeth (raised on butter and animal fat), her and her 3 siblings all needed braces (raised on vegetable oils), and all her children and grandchildren have great teeth (went back to butter and animal fats) Her daughter has a gluten intolerance because she got too many whole grains too early in life. For her later children she waited and they're all fine Why raw milk is considered harmful (even though it is what we should be consuming) It's funny to see all this new enthusiasm for bone broth and fermented foods when Dr .Price and the foundation have known about it all along The future is in small artisan producers of these foods - it doesn't take a lot of capital to start up The new generation is already heading this way - they don't want to work for big corporations Technology got us away from our roots but it has the potential to help us get back They set up http://rawmilk.com Become a member or find out more at http://westonaprice.com Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

19 Dec 201851min

Part 26 - Tara Couture on Nutrient Dense, Ancestral, and Optimal Eating, Farming, and Life

Part 26 - Tara Couture on Nutrient Dense, Ancestral, and Optimal Eating, Farming, and Life

Welcome back everyone, I'm Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I'm creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners. Today I'm talking to Tara Couture who is a certified nutritionist, homestead farmer, expert in nutrient dense cooking and living, and maybe my new favorite person ever. She's raised her family for 25 years on the most amazing, nutrient dense foods you can imagine using her nutrition background, teachings from Weston A. Price, raw milk from farmer friends, and mostly her own animals she raises. She butchers her own animals, churns her own butter, makes her own head cheese, etc., etc. She is the real deal. Check out what I'm talking about before you even listen to this episode on her amazing Instagram account http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead She's a wealth of information and I genuinely enjoyed our talk. We get into vegan lies, the canadian mafia-like police arresting people for selling food they produced by hand, crazy family members refusing to eat her food, and a lot more. Her husband is an ER doctor and deals with some of this insanity as well. Don't forget you can still preorder the Food Lies film on Indiegogo to support its creation and this podcast. Thanks again for everyone's support so far and please enjoy this great episode with Tara Couture. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes She has the best Instagram account in the game http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead She lives on a homestead farm in Canada and raises basically all her own animals and food She eats the most glorious, nutrient food you can imagine Tara and her husband (who is a doctor) were in the military and moved around for many years. Every place they went they immediately found local farmers to supply them with the nutrient dense food they needed She bought deep freezers on Craigslist for $50 and bought bulk animals for the whole year People in cities can go to farmers markets or get involved with a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) https://www.localharvest.org/csa/ Her daughter is living in a small apartment and buying bulk meat from farmers and deep freezing as well It doesn't have to be all or nothing - do what you can Daughters went off and ate normal food with friends as teenagers and felt sick and hated it She's eating an animal food-only diet currently but doesn't like to call it carnivore or keto because that's not what she's after - she's going after nutrient density She lists some of the things she eats daily - duck confit, head cheese, rabbit liver, kidney, adn heart pate, duck prosciutto… the list goes on Duck prosciutto sounds fancy but is actually super easy to make We've been sold a bunch of lies by big food producers making it seem like they're the only ones that can feed us and it's so hard to cook on your own She inexplicably has a 26 year old daughter while looking 26 herself Her daughter was misdiagnosed with a rare disease which made her go vegetarian. Her health fell apart despite doing it very well with all the right food combinations All her daughters were raised on organic foods, raw milk and cream, lots of animal fats and they are all beautiful and lean They've never had antibiotics and none of them even have a doctor The younger 2 daughters have never had a cavity (Tara was eating vegetarian when she had the oldest so…) Her youngest is on the boys hockey team and squats 225 lbs and was born 10 lbs 6 oz She thinks their calm and even-keeled temperament is very noticable and attributes it to a very healthy diet They bring big coolers of real foods (meat) to hockey tournaments Youngest daughter has never had fast food before - she says she wants that to be on her tombstone "the kid that never went to McDonalds" They have a beautiful organic garden and eat fermented plant foods like sauerkraut and kimchi She's temporarily eating only animal foods because she has zero inflammation that way, feels great, and has no gut issues She lives near Ottawa on the Canadian Shield which has thin soil and is very rocky. There's also trees everywhere. This land cannot be used for crops. The only good use for it is animals. They wander the forest and eat a really diverse variety of forage She does rotational grazing with her cows in the warmer months "The idea that grain or vegetarian diets will save the earth is so nonsensical. Anyone that works on the land can explain to you in one sentence why that can't happen" Vegans have the loudest voices so people think it's the majority People like Bill Gates think they know how to save the world - he's some nerd who started a computer company - what does he know about farming? Don't wait for these changes to come from the top - get your own well-sourced meat today She raises dairy cows, beef cows, ducks, meat rabbits, and heritage breed pigs (off and on) She makes her own butter which destroys any store bought grass fed butter Animals have instincts, just like humans, of what's good for them She is working outside the system regarding insurance, so if anything happens she's screwed They have a quota system for milk where you have to buy the right to sell milk for tens of thousands of dollars It's like a mafia. They raided her neighbor and took him to court It would be illegal for her to serve me milk if I visited Her slaughter story 7 min documentary on mobile slaughter called "I Kill" https://vimeo.com/118461898 The first animal she was around for the end of life was a bison she butchered with her mentor She develops relationships with these animals. This is part of life. We have a disconnect with death, and it's not good For some reason we're trying to rewrite nature and evolution with our current "me" oriented thought patterns An unnamed person in her life came over for dinner and brought her own diet yogurt, 7up, and granola bar to eat and refused to eat her farm grown, handmade food Her dad has major health problems Her husband is a doctor but doesn't want to be part of the system pumping out drugs People go to the hospital for a common cold and demand antibiotics So much depression, ADHD, and anxiety in children these days, it's crazy When he asks people what they eat they're offended Our society is soft We need to start with our community food system first - not the big food companies or policy at the top level https://www.westonaprice.org http://www.eatwild.com "It's been the great con job of our century to make us think that all this stuff is hard and foreign and out of reach" Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

5 Dec 20181h 20min

Part 25 -  Layne Norton on Carbs vs. Fat, Metabolism, and Personalized Nutrition

Part 25 - Layne Norton on Carbs vs. Fat, Metabolism, and Personalized Nutrition

Welcome back everyone, I'm Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I'm creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners. Today we have Layne Norton who I had a great time talking with and has a lot of good messages… Nobody should get too caught up in one way of doing something, even if it has tons of apparent benefits. I've always tried to keep an open mind and have repeatedly talked about how many different dietary strategies can work, especially on the two opposite ends of the spectrum. Just don't get caught in the middle like most Americans. This wasn't supposed to be a debate. Previous guest Dr. Dom D'Agostino recently had a quote debate with Layne on Joe Rogan's podcast which I recommend that everyone check out. I don't think Dom challenged him enough so I wanted to have him on and ask a few more questions. I believe people can do fine running on fat or glucose, or both, there's just benefits and downsides depending on which. I see almost no downsides to fat, it's working for me, I see way more lines of evidence pointing to this being our default state, and so I continue to lean on this side as the preferred metabolic state. We talked about a very interesting study that just came out in November that I feel puts a big hit on his position that if you keep protein and overall calories consistent between to groups of people, the fat and carb content doesn't matter. This study which I linked to in the show notes https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 by Dr. David Ludwig controls for these, lasts 20 weeks - so long enough to actually get the subjects fat adapted (which I wanted to make a bigger point of that almost all other big studies fail to do) - and clearly shows as you drop your carb intake and replace it with fat, you burn more calories. If you're burning more energy, you're losing weight. I have so many regrets on things I could have brought up and I'm sure I left things out. Many people listening will probably be yelling at their phones that I could have contradicted the old Kevin Hall studies in this way or brought up some point here or there. I'll just say it's hard to get everything out in the moment, live on air. One thing I was was going to say was NuSi funding the study doesn't make it biased. They purposely found researchers that don't agree with the hypothesis to run the experiments with Dr. Ludwig. The subject changed and I forgot to bring this up. I also wanted to point to the blood markers that improved in the low carb group in this study compared to the higher carb group. This is important no matter what, but even more important to me because they weren't in a calorie deficit - they were just maintaining weight. That's huge. Layne always says all the benefits of low carb can be attributed to being in a deficit. He said he didn't get a chance to go over the study yet though. I'll have to ask him about this another time. I posted the images of the graphs from the study on Instagram so you can see them there if you go back a few posts. Just search for @food.lies. Also, I'm not diminishing all the great aspects of keto. I feel like I'm going to piss off the keto community in this episode because they think I'm dismissing it or not bringing up all the studies showing the unique benefits. That's for another time - I'm talking to Dr. Ryan Lowery about coming on the podcast soon who is the guy Layne is having a little online war with that comes up in this episode. He'll talk about all the great studies on the benefits of a ketogenic diet. I wanted to focus on other things with Layne. We agree on a bunch of stuff in the first half then start to debate things in the second half. A bit more about him; he has a PhD in Nutritional Science and a background in biochemistry, he's a professional natural bodybuilder, he's won a bunch of competitions, he's published a number of scientific papers, he's a bodybuilding and physique coach, and also an author of a new book on weight loss. Before we get to the interview, I want to say if you have gotten any value out of the last 24 podcasts, the best way to show your support is to click through the link in the show notes and preorder a copy of the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. You can also find it by going to FoodLies.org I'm doing everything I can on a daily basis to spread information and create content to help people find unbiased and accurate information on something that should be everyone's top priority in life - their health. Thanks so much for your support, and here's Layne Norton. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Show Notes He recently debated previous guest and keto researcher, Dom D'Agostino on Joe Rogan's podcast He's main goal is to call bullshit on bad science and bad dietary advice Dr. Mark Haub and the junk food diet http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html Calories in = calories out will always stand, there's a lot more to it though The real problem is excess eating, so find a way that works for you to not do this He just finished an Ebook on losing weight and actually keeping it off called Fat Loss Forever https://www.biolayne.com/fat-loss-forever/ Everyone has their own hack or restriction they prefer. It could be keto makes you never feel hungry, for him it's tracking his calories and macro intake People get really zealous about one way of eating when it works for them Exercise doesn't contribute a ton of weight loss by burning calories unless you're doing a ton of it Exercise lowers the set point your body defends Some research showing exercise or activity sensitizes you to satiety signals Bengali workers study https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/4/2/169/4787034 Recency and delayed gratification Change your reward structure The real problem is fat and carbs together Why do diets fail? Rodent study showed it took twice as long to lose weight the 2nd attempt at dieting and they regained the weight 3 times as fast 4 basic components of your metabolic rate: BMR, NEAT, TEF, activity expenditure Don't ever attempt a "diet" that has a start and end point, it's destined for failure - choose lifestyle modification you can stick to Diets fail when things go wrong in people's lives - limited will power I believe there are benefits to being fat adapted New study showing more energy is burned on a low carb diet compared to low fat, when calories and protein are controlled https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 Here's one study about the brain (in rodents) using ketones preferentially over glucose https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874681/ Here's another in humans https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0271678X16669366?journalCode=jcba Also from a Biochem textbook: "Many tissues prefer to use fatty acids and ketone bodies as oxidizable fuels in place of glucose. Most such tissues can use glucose but prefer to oxidize fatty acids and ketone bodies" Thomas M. Devlin, ed., Textbook of Biochemistry with Clinical Correlations Humans can only store around 600g of glycogen in the muscles and liver yet we can store basically unlimited fat - we're meant to run like batteries. Glucose wasn't always around. Metabolic flexibility Layne Norton's keto experiment More carb vs. fat debate He is doubting if Tim Noakes actually had type 2 diabetes symptoms TOFI Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside Protein leverage hypothesis and Dr. Ted Naiman Eating pop tarts and their expensive toll Evolution and fat Eating at a deficit might be all that matters What about all the micronutrients? His angle is coming from bodybuilders who have a lot of energy to burn and are already good at tracking things like calories and being disciplined What he's changed his mind on He's debating Dr. Shawn Baker on Mark Bell's podcast about vegetables Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

29 Nov 20181h 38min

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