Part 21 - Gabor Erdosi on Food Processing, Hunger Signaling, and the Gut

Part 21 - Gabor Erdosi on Food Processing, Hunger Signaling, and the Gut

Gabor is a food scientist with a masters in molecular biology. He lives in Hungary and is one of these engineers slash scientists who I love talking to who look at nutrition differently. He has a very unique perspective because he works for a big food manufacturer that makes sugary syrups that he believes are harmful. It's rare point of view.

He's spends almost all of his free time researching this stuff to help people understand how bad these processed foods actually are. He has a large community on facebook where he shares and discusses this information. He also has some great presentations he's done you can find online.

We recorded past midnight and I was losing steam at the end and didn't continue the conversation much. He was talking about a really interesting topic though - the adipose centric model of diabetes. For a long time many people have been talking about the insulin-carbohydrate model of diabetes. There's a lot to this subject and we'll get more into it in the coming weeks. I have already recorded an episode covering more of this that will come out next week. It's basically flipping our thoughts of insulin resistance around. The problems occur when you eat more than your personal fat threshold can take - whether it be carbs, fat, or protein. So the problem is your adipose tissue can't properly store all the lipids. People start becoming insulin resistant because of their obesity (or overstuffed and inflamed fat cells), instead of becoming obese from the insulin resistance. This may be super boring and esoteric to some, but for others it will be super interesting. I personally am very into it.

There's a couple weeks left to support the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. Thanks so much - we couldn't do it without you. Listener and crowd support is the only thing powering this film and podcast right now, so I really appreciate it. Now please listen to the wise words of Gabor Erdosi.

http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

Show Notes

  • Gabor is a food scientist with a masters in molecular biology calling in from Hungary
  • He works for a big food manufacturer making sugary syrups
  • Asked to give a presentation on food processing and the short term metabolic effects
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rcfvRGZsDs
  • Long term negative effects would have included seed oils but they only gave him 35 minutes
  • People says processed carbs are bad but nobody asks why or how
  • He doesn't trust textbooks so he goes to original sources and studies
  • He studied the digestive system, physiology, and mechanisms of how food is digested and the hormone responses
  • If we eat evolutionary appropriate foods like meat, tubers, and berries, for example, the sensors in our small intestine and resulting hormone signaling is fine
  • If we eat flour and ground starches it's very different and not fine
  • But humans have been processing food for all of history? Looks at this with cooking of food vs. raw food, pre-digesting proteins
  • Studies looking at eating a whole apple and a blended apple with all it's pulp (not just the juice which would be different) - more glucose and insulin response to blended apple
  • THings aren't the same once you break down the structure of the plant
  • Questioning nutrition labels because of this
  • After this surge of glucose, insulin dips below baseline a couple hours later and you become hypoglycemic. And then hungry.
  • Studies show this is also when self-reported satiety kicks in
  • As well as ghrelin surge (which is the hunger signaling hormone)
  • Glycemic index and glycemic load can be thought of proxies for how processed something is or "lacking plant structure"
  • This is why we get inconsistent studies when we use observational data using glycemic index or load as a proxy
  • Fiber is a better indicator because usually these people aren't adding back in fiber - it means they are eating whole foods
  • Also if you destroy the plant structure by processing then add fiber back in it's not as good - you already destroyed the structure
  • But some fiber is good that swell when you add them back because they increase the volume and slow the gastric emptying
  • Simple message is it's better to just eat plant foods in their whole form
  • He also says it's safer to just eat animal foods - protein and fat - that don't have these problems when processed
  • Better to eat carbs at the end of the meal
  • Better to eat slowly
  • Rodent studies show they get more obese when they grind the normal chow
  • Rodent studies are poorly done in general because the chow they use is highly processed with no real food ingredients
  • Their synthetic diet also causes dysbiosis in their large intestine
  • Gut permeability and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO), etc. in humans
  • Sometimes the body needs a small and purposeful inflammation
  • In inflammatory disease it's a chronic inflammation, not acute
  • He does almost all animal foods plus some fruit because of his condition
  • People don't need to cut out all carbs, but it would be smart to do an elimination diet and add foods back in gradually to see what might be causing problems
  • Not everyone needs to do low carb, some report doing very low fat helps type 2 diabetes
  • This greatly reduces the need for insulin which is a partitioning fuel so you can still be pretty healthy even if you're taking in a lot of carbs
  • Needs to be really low though - less than 10% - so very few people can actually pull this off
  • He can't subsist on leaves and flowers and stalks, no thanks
  • Killer combo of fat plus carbohydrate - what's the mechanism?
  • Fat and protein together take longer to digest, don't cause the same big jump in hormonal release, and stimulate the receptors in the lower intestine as well - much more balanced
  • GIP and GLP-1 are incretins - they stimulate your pancreas to release hormones
  • You create an insulin and glucagon imbalance if you stimulate these hormones in an unbalanced way
  • Fasted and fed state and metabolic regulation
  • Sweet spot is to eat 1-3 meals per day
  • Total insulin response lower with bigger meals
  • Studies say best to limit your eating window to max 10 hours
  • Autophagy and letting your body rest
  • Microbiome - all the rage these days
  • Study on mostly plant based diet and carnivore diet and microbiota
  • We still don't know how the microbiome works - just that your diet greatly affects it
  • Rat studies aren't conclusive for humans
  • Problems with how we treat diabetes today - just the symptom, not underlying problem
  • Type 2 diabetes is actually an adipose problem - can't store lipids correctly
  • More gut permeability and inflammation from refined foods
  • The beer belly and visceral fat
  • Tying together mechanisms of fatty liver from alcoholics and non-alcoholic sources
  • Caveman check for foods: animals, berries, tubers, etc., not a wheat field
  • Out of season fruit study with rats - not good to eat out of season it seems
  • The answer to health is to reject the modern processed foods - both vegetarian/pecatarian and carnivore/keto/paleo people are doing that
  • He's going to be doing some more work with organizations soon to spread his learnings
  • He has a closed Facebook group that is really active and interesting called Lower Insulin https://www.facebook.com/groups/198981013851366/

Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

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Part 169 - How to Fight Big Food, the Banking System & Corporate Control w/ Tristan Scott

Part 169 - How to Fight Big Food, the Banking System & Corporate Control w/ Tristan Scott

Embracing nature, loving the land, and teaching how you can embrace regenerative agriculture and cryptocurrency, Tristan Scott, is the author of the recently released Bitcoin and Beef: Criticisms, Similarities, and Why Decentralization Matters.  Both the regenerative agriculture space and the supporters of Bitcoin have many things in common, such as a disdain for large corporations that only seek to maximize profit, a lack of nuance in local problems and solutions, and deception of the masses.  Tristan brings a factual based argument to many of the myths and solutions that are facing the world today.  Bitcoin and Beef, The Book   BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   SHOW NOTES: [0:20] - Bitcoin & Beef: Why and What? [9:00] - What is Bitcoin and why should you care? [15:30] - What are the downsides to Bitcoin? [21:20] - What is the one thing that could go wrong with Bitcoin? [30:10] - Food systems, global reserves, and food subsidies  [38:45] - The Beef Initiative and the US Beef Market [45:45] - Should we be buying grocery store meat? [53:20] - Can we do this large scale? Stats on Regenerative Agriculture [1:05:50] - Climate, Pollutants and Beef Emissions [1:17:00] - The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and African Farming [1:21:40] - 1971 and the getting off the Gold Standard [1:26:00] - How to get involved with your local farmers and get involved in decentralization at an individual level https://www.sovereignhumans.org   BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

24 Aug 20221h 42min

Part 168 - Dr. Anthony Chaffee - Do Humans Thrive Most on an All-Meat Diet?

Part 168 - Dr. Anthony Chaffee - Do Humans Thrive Most on an All-Meat Diet?

Dr Chaffee is an American medical doctor and Neurosurgical resident who, over a span of 20+ years, has researched the optimal nutrition for human performance and health. It is his assertion that most of the so-called chronic diseases we treat as doctors are caused by the food we eat, or don't eat, and can be reversed with dietary changes to a species specific diet. He began University at the age of 15 studying Molecular & Cellular Biology with a Minor in Chemistry at the University of Washington in Seattle, which culminated in an MD from the Royal College of Surgeons. Currently in Australia, he specializes in Neurosurgery and does private consultations in functional medicine while thriving on a carnivore diet https://www.patreon.com/thecarnivorelife GET THE MEAT! http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES: [3:00] - Why Dr. Anthony thinks we are built biologically to be carnivores [10:30] - Why humans don't need teeth and claws to thrive [18:15] - Are we made to eat plants? [25:35] - Why most plants are toxic for you [32:20] - Longevity: Can we live to 120? [45:20] - Blue zones and genetic differences in humans [53:00] - Why are so many groups trying to villainize meat [1:14:00] - Fruit: good or bad? [1:23:25] - Thyroid and Sleep issues on carnivore/keto? [1:35:00] - Organ vs. Skeletal meat ancestrally and in modern times [1:38:10] - Grass-fed vs.Grain-finished GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

17 Aug 20221h 55min

Part 167 - Kate Deering on How to Fix Your Metabolism

Part 167 - Kate Deering on How to Fix Your Metabolism

Kate Deering brings 25 years of experience in the holistic health and wellness space, along with a robust and tested approach to healing someone - nutritionally, mentally, physically and spiritually. With a dense background in sports performance, biochemistry, and physiology, Kate has recently shifted her thoughts on what "true-health" meant, focusing on a more root-cause, holistic approach towards optimal health, while also writing the book "How to Heal Your Metabolism" She often is associated with the likes of Ray Peat and Jay Feldman, embracing fruit, sugar and carbs as a natural and fundamental source of energy, focusing on the underlying issues that leads to intolerances in handling carbohydrates. www.katedeering.com Kate's Instagram GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES [0:10] - Recap of the discussion between Kate and Jaime Seeman [4:40] - What is the Ray Peat Diet and Bioenergetic philosophy [9:10] - Stress and energy production [15:50] - Why burning fat may be stressful to the body [22:05] -Long-term stress levels and Type 2 Diabetes [33:15] - OMAD and Protein levels and general macro advice [45:15] - Digestion and nutrient bioavailability [51:55] - Cholesterol - does it matter? [54:30] - Stress, The GI system and exercise [59:20] - Blood sugar, hormones and fruit [1:09:37] - What are the most nutrient dense foods? [1:14:28] - The context of different carb types in the bioenergetic philosophy [1:19:40] - Food logging vs "Intuitive Eating", and overeating [1:31:40] - Does this approach make sense ancestrally? GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

10 Aug 20221h 47min

Part 166 - Dave Asprey on How to Navigate the Crazy Modern World

Part 166 - Dave Asprey on How to Navigate the Crazy Modern World

Dave Asprey is the "Father of Biohacking", a 4x New York Times Bestselling Author, the founder of several companies such as Bulletproof and Upgrade Labs, as well the host of the award-winning podcast The Human Upgrade. Dave's mission is to empower the entire globe with information and knowledge that unlocks the Super Human in everyone at any age, working with world-renowned doctors, researchers, scientists, and global mavericks to uncover the latest, most innovative methods, techniques and products for enhancing mental and physical performance. BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org SHOW NOTES: [1:20] - Freedom, Rights and Handed-Down Wisdom [10:50] - Consciousness and Food [16:10] - Making Money and Promoting your Brand - Dave's Take [19:30] - How food affects the speed your brain works [24:00] - Conspiracy theories and purposeful lying, and rational action [31:40] - Are CEOs trying to destroy the world or do good? [38:00] - Where should we get fats from? [44:30] - Grass-finished meat, Ancestral Eating and Nutrient Density [53:40] - Plant vs. Animal foods and a dietary framework [1:00:20] - Eat these and stop doing what makes you weak [1:04:20] - The absurdity of "The China Study" and nuance around food [1:08:30] - Dave's thoughts on protein, collagen and digestive enzymes BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

3 Aug 20221h 29min

Part 165 - Jay Feldman on Are You Producing Maximum Energy From Your Diet?

Part 165 - Jay Feldman on Are You Producing Maximum Energy From Your Diet?

Jay Feldman is a health coach, independent health researcher, and host of the Energy Balance podcast. He has degrees in neuroscience and exercise physiology and is devoted to using his knowledge and experience to help people heal from all manner of disease, dysfunction, and difficulty losing excess body fat. To work with Jay you can find him at http://jayfeldmanwellness.com GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org SHOW NOTES: [1:02] - Jay's background and beginnings in nutrition, exercise and health [6:30] - The basis of disease and energy metabolism [9:30] - Insulin resistance, glucose and Jay's stance on low-carb diets [16:30] - Fructose and fatty liver disease [21:05] - Types of carbohydrates, fruit juice and a discussion on glucose spikes [31:20] - Why Jay recommends eating every 3-5 hours [43:35] - General advice for the general population and carbohydrate addictions [52:48] - Overeating, hunger signals why very fat people cannot access their stored energy [53:35] - Gut health and common issues that occur [1:02:00] - Jay's thoughts on paleo and other ancestral diets [1:08:40] - Fat or carbs for fuel? Which is better [1:14:45] - Stress: the good and bad types [1:19:01] - "Why do I need to eat breakfast?" [1:24:56] - Are PUFAs the worst part of the Standard American Diet? [1:31:00] - Is the Bio-Energetic way of eating ancestrally appropriate? GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

27 Juli 20221h 45min

Part 164 - Farmer Angus on Feeding (and Saving) the World

Part 164 - Farmer Angus on Feeding (and Saving) the World

Big podcast with Farmer Angus who was visiting Austin from Cape Town, South Africa. It was so great to talk in person with someone from halfway around the world who is entirely on the same page. We talk about how good food works, good animal agriculture works, and even how the world works. A great chat with a great guy - don't miss it! GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org SHOW NOTES: [1:45] - The Food Lies Trailer and film update [3:40] - Angus's thoughts on the plant-based narrative and it infiltrating traditional African agriculture [8:45] - Glyphosate and Industrial agriculture [15:03 - What problems and solutions Angus saw visiting farms in the US [20:10] - Angus's thoughts on Weston A Price and his teachings [31:10] - The downward spiral of conventional agriculture and farmers [37:10] - The history and disintegration of Zimbabwe, the "breadbasket" of Africa [41:20] - How we can feed the world [50:30] - Brief overview of Brian's Sapien Compound [55:05] - Fertilizer, methane emissions, and food waste [1:07:42] - The WHY behind Angus's Farm and How they do it GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

20 Juli 20221h 21min

Part 163 - Jayne Buxton on The Great Plant Based Con

Part 163 - Jayne Buxton on The Great Plant Based Con

On this episode, Brian speaks with the renowned author and journalist Jayne Buxton. Jayne had published several books, non-fiction and fiction, on various subjects, but had a strong passion for regenerative agriculture, nutritional research and advocacy for animal products.  She is the author of the recently released book, The Great  Plant-Based Con, which is discussed today.  Jayne is also an ambassador for The Real Food Campaign and The Public Health Collaboration, while also having written for publications such as The Guardian and The Independent.   GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org   SHOW NOTES: [3:00] Jayne and Buxton speak on their books/film and what inspired them to start that path [5:15] - Brian and Jayne share their experience with the USDA scientist David Klurfeld  who blew the whistle on the WHO study which demonized Meat  [9:25] - The high-level view of plant-based arguments  [14:10] - Diving into the nutritional differences in omnivore and vegetarian diets and their relation to health [29:30] - the ramifications of Ancel Keys and the demonization of saturated fat, cholesterol and their association to heart disease  [49:40] - The propaganda and narrative behind the environmental arguments in the plant-based agenda  [1:12:00] - Where the globalization behind the plant-based agenda is leading to [1:17:00] - Getting the book and moving forward   GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

29 Juni 20221h 27min

Part 162 - L. Amber O'Hearn on Should Humans Eat Mostly Fat and the Rest Meat?

Part 162 - L. Amber O'Hearn on Should Humans Eat Mostly Fat and the Rest Meat?

Amber O'Hearn has an eclectic background, with academic publications in several fields including theoretical mathematics, cognitive psychology, computational linguistics, and more recently, evolutionary nutrition and biology. She has been studying and experimenting with low-carb, ketogenic diets since 1997, and is particularly interested in evolutionary constraints and interspecies differences. Amber has been eating a nearly plant-free diet since 2009 Ambers Website Mostly-fat.com BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post SHOW NOTES [1:00] - Amber's background, history, education and interests related to nutrition and a long-term carnivore lifestyle [9:00] - Amber's introduction in 2009 to keto and carnivore through pregnancy [15:45] - Plant antinutrients and health [24:40] - Carnivore + Fruit and Ray Peat [34:35] - "Zooming out" on Plants vs Meat studies and the risks vs costs [42:45] - Plant compounds, antioxidants and oxidative stress [53:00] - Ineffectiveness of RDA's based on individual diets and vitamin deficiencies [1:03:15] - mTOR, Valter Longo, and longevity diets [1:14:30] - High fat diet vs. high protein [1:20:35] - Can the Carnivore community fall into the vegan community nutrient deficiency trap? BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

8 Juni 20221h 32min

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