Carlos Chacon on Data Community, Family, & Messy Data in Legacy CRM Systems

In this episode, Frank and Andy speak to Carlos Chacon about data community, family, and messy data in legacy CRM systems.

Transcript

00:00:00 BAILey

Hello and welcome to data driven, the podcast where we explore the emerging wait a tick. This is the premiere episode of Season Five. Can you believe it? Data driven started four years ago this month.

00:00:14 BAILey

Up until last season, we had a human doing the voiceover work. That is until she was replaced by an AI. Yours truly.

00:00:23 BAILey

In this episode, Frank and Andy speak to Dave Wensel about why you don't need a datawarehouse. We're starting off the new season with a bit of contrarian tone.

00:00:33 BAILey

It's a lively back and forth conversation that runs contrary to prevailing wisdom. Don't say we didn't warn you? Now on with the show.

00:00:41 Frank

Hello and welcome to data driven. The podcasts were we wait a minute. We've been saying this Andy for four years now. Can you believe it?

00:00:48 Andy

Four years, that's crazy talk.

00:00:52 Frank

That's just craziness. So I think when you and I first talked about this and that was that fateful, I think it was December was right after Thanksgiving. But before Christmas, I was thinking about starting a podcast and as a data scientist, I needed someone.

00:01:01 Andy

Yeah, yeah.

00:01:09 Frank

That was a data engineer that could kind of round out the talent there and and and and obviously I wanted someone I knew, liked, and trust.

00:01:11 Frank

Found out.

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00:01:22 Frank

And so it was you.

00:01:25 Andy

Well, I'm just glad all of the real smart data engineers you knew were busy. That's all I got to say.

00:01:25 Frank

Much.

00:01:30 Frank

Ah, no man. You were the first one. I reached out to and the only one I would have done it with it. So I was delighted when you said yes because starting a podcast can sound like a daunting thing, particularly if you haven't done it before.

00:01:44 Andy

Yeah, neither one of us really had. And gosh, it's it's worked out. What are we up to? 180,000 downloads or something? I mean that's.

00:01:52 Frank

Something.

00:01:53 Frank

Like that about hundred 8000 downloads. I mean, we're not Joe Rogan, but that's OK, Yep.

00:01:55

Yeah.

00:01:57 Andy

No.

00:01:59 Andy

Yep, Yep.

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Yep.

00:02:01 Frank

But you know what, we we we've impacted. I think the community in a significant way. We've we've done a number of things we've we've innovative how we podcast.

00:02:12 Frank

Uh, we we've actually managed to keep a good cadence with some exceptions.

00:02:18 Andy

Yeah, thanks.

00:02:19 Frank

You know, we we finally did earlier this year or late last year, kind of fulfill our vision of it being data driven TV when we actually interviewed guests on.

00:02:27 Andy

Yes.

00:02:32 Frank

On video.

00:02:33 Frank

And that was that actually delayed the launch of the show by about three months.

00:02:38 Andy

It did but also uhm. Yeah, that was interesting, but you know it's typical software development, right? You release a feature and then you debug it. The I have this saying about that Frank. All software is tested some intentionally.

00:02:52 Frank

Sometimes.

00:02:53 Andy

Right?

00:02:56 Frank

I love it, but I also like how, how, how both our careers have evolved over the last four years. And dumb, you know, this being the premiere episode of Season 5 and we have something special lined up, but I'll get to that in a minute.

00:02:58 Andy

Hello.

00:03:03 Andy

Oh gosh, itch.

00:03:11 Andy

June.

00:03:12 Frank

You've progressed in your career. We, you and I've worked on some some projects together or virtual Summit. What we're calling Ring Gate, which will announce very very soon and and but. But most of all, is been my kind of skilling up in transition into data engineering myself.

00:03:29 BAILey

Ehm

00:03:31 Frank

Which was something that when I joined, so this is just a job update about a year ago. I I left the role of Microsoft kind of field sales and I went into the Microsoft Technology Center stick with me. There's a point to this story and basically I was at the rest in MTC.

00:03:52 Frank

And basically I was the AI guy on my my my field sales team, but I didn't really have deep knowledge of kind of the typical typical data engineering pipe work that goes into that role and basically my my. My then manager said you know he's like hey, you know, if you want this role, you've got a skill.

00:04:12 Frank

And skill up I did. And with Andy's mentoring and a bunch of other folks that helped me kind of skill up on our the data engineering side. I looked at it this morning. I'm like 88 hours on Pluralsight.

00:04:25 Frank

Wow, that was from mid may till we're recording this on April 30th. So just about a year 88 hours right now tracking on about 200 four 205 consecutive days of getting on LinkedIn. I'm not on LinkedIn on Pluralsight, LinkedIn learning. I also have a number of courses too.

00:04:31 Andy

Yeah.

00:04:43 Frank

Uh, that is something I'm proud of in terms of career evolution.

00:04:47 Andy

Absolutely Frank, you should be. How many cirts are you up to now?

00:04:50 Frank

I 87.

00:04:53 Andy

Slacker.

00:04:54 Frank

I know, I know.

00:04:54 Frank

Know, I know.

00:04:54 Andy

I think I've got 4.

00:04:56 Frank

Ah, now I know you and I did the data engineering thing, so you have at least 11.

00:05:00 Andy

That's true, that's true. We did that one and you know that was it's just. It's just been a nice journey and I'll take credit for this. 'cause 'cause I can I was. I was actually pestering you years ago. We've been friends since 2005 and we started doing.

00:05:20 Andy

Code camps here in the Richmond area.

00:05:22 Andy

Together and co-founded RE co-founded Richmond SQL Server Users Group and you know, worked with the net users group and stuff. And I told you as soon as I saw some of your graphic art and Frank would do a keynote for the Richmond code camps and every time he would make movie posters, the one that.

00:05:41 Frank

Oh yeah.

00:05:42 Andy

Still sticks out is 1 called devs on a plane.

00:05:45 Frank

Ha ha ha.

00:05:49 Andy

Oh yeah, I loved that one that was so so cool and.

00:05:49 Andy

And that was.

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00:05:54 Andy

You know I saw the graphic arts part of it and I just knew I said you, you'd be really good in analytics and data visualization. You should get into by and you were busy doing other stuff which was cool. You were good at that too. It wasn't, you know you. I don't know of anything you've done that you haven't mastered. By thank you. You know you when.

00:06:14 Andy

Things took a took, uh, started taking a turn for you in your first rodeo at Microsoft. You got into it and and took off with it. I don't. I won't tell the story well, but you just really turned around. You focused on data and.

00:06:32 Andy

You know, I'll say this Frank. I was right.

00:06:35 Frank

Well, with that he totally I. I think if anything I took away is I should have listened to Andy 10 years earlier.

00:06:36 Dave

You aren't very good.

00:06:40 Frank

Uhm?

00:06:41 Frank

And that that that that is something that that that that's the big takeaway we'll talk about, kind of that journey. 'cause I think that's worth kind of talking about. And I think one of the things we you, and I've been bouncing around is kind of interviewing each other.

00:06:46

We

00:06:55 Frank

Like in asking one of us those those those questions we have, so we definitely will do that, but not today...