The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now

The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now

Ever heard of 'Chatfishing’? Believe us, it's a thing, people, and may make you look at every message you receive in a whole new light. The trend is now to use ChatGPT for banter on dating apps and it’s leading to some awkward in-person dates.

The bus tour you did through Europe in your twenties has now been replaced with sunrise yoga and morning run clubs. We discuss why Gen Z is too sensible for that kind of wild fun with a bunch of strangers.

Do you treat your friends like family? And should you? There are pros and cons which we unpack.

Plus, the 'cunty bob' is out, and long hair is officially back in as we enter the Rapunzel age. But is long hair now a flex or an act of personal rebellion?

And all our best reccos including a must-listen podcast, a book Em wants you to read and a go-to 80’s beauty product that's back.

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Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem.
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Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
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What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't

What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't

When was the last time you cried in front of someone else? Or shared a deep conversation that left you feeling fulfilled? Well friends, we've found a magical list of questions that might be the shortcut to connection. We unpack the secrets of supercommunicators. Plus - Holly's favourite lip products, a book Jessie needs everyone to read, and an article about the most wild new cosmetic procedure we've heard yet... it's our recommendations. And, our bests and worsts including a camping Nicole, a family sick-fest, and some feedback for Nana. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas Listen: The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight Listen: Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried Listen: A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea Listen: The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. Recommendations: Jessie wants you to read The Safekeep Novel by Yael van der Wouden Holly wants you to try the NARS Afterglow Lip Balm Mia wants you to check out 'Inside Australia's booming leg lengthening industry' by Erin Docherty What to read: The best new TV shows and movies to binge this long weekend. 'I used these two words constantly until someone called me out. My career changed overnight.' 'There are 6 different conversation styles. If you’re a "builder", stay away from me.' Yes, your friends are talking about you. And other lessons from the 'White Lotus Three'. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Mia Freedman Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

25 Apr 39min

The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch

The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch

What happens when a person becomes the brand? Influencer Remi Bader is facing backlash for a personal transformation—and her followers aren’t happy they weren’t part of the journey. We unpack the online pushback and ask: does she actually owe anyone an explanation? Plus, Pope Francis passed away this week. What happens now? We take you inside the mysterious, centuries-old process of choosing the next Pope. Also, with just 10 days until the Australian election, a major issue is being overlooked. In a week filled with devastating headlines about violence against women, we’re asking: what do we really expect from the leaders of our country? And finally… Liz Hurley has gone public with a very unexpected new romance—and it’s giving a very specific energy. We’ve got thoughts. Lots of them. Support independent women's media Resources: If you or someone you know is in need of support contact help is available: 1800RESPECT 1800 737 732 Lifeline 13 11 14 Beyond Blue 1300 22 4636 The End Bits: Make a donation to RizeUp. RizeUp helps survivors of domestic violence rebuild their lives and break free from the cycle of violence. What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight Listen: Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried Listen: A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea Listen: The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What to read: Thi Kim Tran suffered an unthinkable crime. We finally know why. Three women dead in 24 hours. Yet our potential leaders remain silent. From anti-climate science to 'pro-life': What every single minor party actually stands for A serious investigation into Liz Hurley's eclectic taste in men. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

23 Apr 46min

Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried

Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried

Happy Monday, Outlouders — we’ve got a juicy little treat for you. Usually reserved for subscribers, we’re dropping this one into your feed because… well, you deserve it. As the seasons change, so apparently must our entire wardrobes. Again. It’s a lot. In this episode, Mia and Jessie are joined by the glorious Amelia Lester to unpack the pressure to be 'effortlessness'. We’re talking: The ‘I Woke Up Like This’ lie. Nope, your hair did not do that on its own. Why pretending not to try is somehow the most work of all How the effortless aesthetic has crept into fashion, parenting, relationships, work… you name it, it's got to be without a hint of trying. It’s a full-time job to look like you’re not working at anything. And we’re officially over it. The End Bits Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Don't miss out on your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea Listen: The Exact Science To Keep On Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Listen: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 FinaleSubscribe Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What To Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 There's a foolproof way to figure out if you're a gold or silver jewellery girly. The 'effortless style' myth is the reason you can't get dressed. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

20 Apr 23min

A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea

A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea

What happens when three Mamamia Out Loud hosts, a live audience, and a very shiny Apple store come together? Chaos. Joyful chaos. To celebrate 10 years of Mamamia Out Loud (yes, 10!), Mia, Jessie and Holly recorded a special live episode at Apple Sydney — and now, you get to hear it. From how Holly wheedled her way onto the show, to what really goes into choosing our daily topics, and the moments that have stayed with us the most, it’s all here. Hosted by our fantastic friend of the pod Amelia Lester and full of behind-the-scenes tea, this is your backstage pass to a decade of strong opinions, respectful disagreements, and... shoe jewellery. Happy public holiday, Outlouders — this one's a little treat. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What to listen to next: Listen to the latest episode: The Exact Science To Keep On Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Listen: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What To Read: Which Mamamia Out Loud host are you? Holly, Mia or Jessie? GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Lu Hill Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

17 Apr 40min

A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes.

A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes.

'Not quite right' seems to be the feedback for today. Why have six women gone to space in full glam for *checks notes* 11 minutes, only to return to earth and kiss the ground? Side note, why are Kris Jenner and Khloe Kardashian giving interviews about it? We don't remember this episode of The Simpsons. Similarly, why are our politicians dropping diss tracks and is this the new form that election campaigns should take from now on? Can the 2025-2026 budget be released via SoundCloud too? Finally, given the long weekend, we thought we'd leave you with some bonus reccos as a little treat. Holly Wainwright is joined by Clare Stephens and Em Vernem for a book, a TV show and a building that aren't afraid to take up space. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Mamamia wants to hear from you! Complete our survey to go in the running to win one of four $50 gift vouchers. What to listen to next: Listen to our latest episode: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Listen: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 FinaleSubscribe Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts The End Bits Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. Recommendations Em wants you to read How to End a Love Story by Yulin Kuang AND go to the library. Clare wants you to watch The Pitt on BINGE. Holly wants you to watch Running Point on Netflix. What To Read: ICYMI, it's the first girls'-trip to space. HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: ‘I desperately needed to find some calm… So I read one very particular book and I got a hobby.’ While suffering postnatal depression, Tishara took up a hobby. It became a full-time business. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

16 Apr 42min

A Boomer Bad Boy Playbook & Defining The Three Levels Of Cool

A Boomer Bad Boy Playbook & Defining The Three Levels Of Cool

An ageing Boomer bad boy and a queer 21-year-old multi-millionairess locked in a house together. What could possibly go wrong? Quite a lot actually. Many thoughts. We discuss what happened with Jojo Siwa and Mickey Rourke on Celebrity Big Brother. Plus, there were lots of cool people in the desert this weekend, paying $20 AUD for a 'super duper' shower. That's right, it's Coachella season. As always, the fashion is arguably the main festival headliner, and hosts Holly Wainwright, friend of the pod Em Vernem and the legend that is Clare Stephens, define the different levels of cool within this influencer world. And, relationships. What do the top five percent of them have in common and why is it so horrifying to Em? Group therapy is in session. The End Bits Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Don't miss out on your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Mamamia wants to hear from you! Complete our survey to go in the running to win one of four $50 gift vouchers. What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 Finale Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Listen to MID: Rachel Griffiths Took A Sabbatical From Everything Listen to the Spill: A Brutally Honest Review Of The White Lotus Season Three Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What To Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 A helpful guide to all the 'feuds' happening between the White Lotus gang right now. After another 'aggressive' incident, Mickey Rourke has left Celebrity Big Brother. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

14 Apr 40min

I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back

I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back

We're living in the age of diagnosis. But are we about to enter a new era – one of de–diagnosis, where we can give some of our pathologies back? We discuss a new book that's changing the way we see what's wrong with us. Plus, we have some recommendations including a rashie (yes, you read that right) and two fabulous new memoirs about an It Girl and a magazine mogul. And, a Nicole test, a bingle and multiple viewings of a questionable film, plus Jessie's car disaster. It’s Best & Worst. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What to listen to next: Listen to our latest episode: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 FinaleSubscribe Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts The End Bits Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. Recommendations: Jessie wants you to check out Avaly's black rashie. Holly wants you to read Say Everything: A Memoir By Ione Skye. Amelia wants you to read When The Going Was Good by Graydon Carter. What To Read: Read: Men will do anything but go to therapy. Read: The Age of Diagnosis by Suzanne O’Sullivan review – do no harm Read: 'A nurse told me I had two years to live. Then I found out the truth.' Read: Edwina Bartholomew has just spoken about her health journey, 3 months after sharing her diagnosis. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Amelia Lester Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

11 Apr 47min

The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet

The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet

Old friends. After a spotlight was cast upon the female friendship dynamic in The White Lotus Season 3, we have some thoughts. Are old friendships toxic, or are their sometimes fraught, no BS nature the very thing that makes them the most valuable? Plus, what makes a politician? When Peter Dutton received troubling news minutes before the first Australian Leaders debate, a subsequent discussion emerged. When does a personal crisis trump the requirements of a role and exactly what does it take to be a leader? Finally, astroturfing. No, this doesn't relate to Holly's garden but the manufacturing of public smear campaigns against celebrities, disguised as organic content. Holly, Jessie and friend of the pod Amelia Lester discuss the internet's latest celebrity victim – and what's behind her takedown. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular What To Listen To Next: Listen to the latest ep: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 Finale Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Listen: The White Lotus Eps 6 & 7 – Petty Points & New Theories Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Listen: The White Lotus — 5 Theories & A Dong Watch Listen: Ugly Female Friendships & A New Red Carpet Theory Listen: We're Desperate To Talk About 'The White Lotus' Season 3 Listen: We’re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here Listen: Emergency Meeting: The Blake Lively Smear Campaign Unpacked Listen to the Spill for an exclusive interview with Leslie Bibb and Natasha Rothwell: We Met The Stars Of TV’s Biggest Show And Here’s Our Honest Recap Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts The End Bits: Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What To Read: Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 Read: As Elon Musk’s custody battles are dragged into the spotlight, one video speaks volumes. Read: Are you tired of the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively drama? That's the point. Read: The White Lotus told us from the start why season three had to end in tragedy. Read: The one piece of information The White Lotus cast needs you to know before the finale. Read: Fake scripts and unhinged theories: Everything you need to know before The White Lotus finale. Read: The White Lotus just nailed the ugly friendship dynamic we all recognise. Read: From Koh Samui to Phuket: All of The White Lotus Season 3 filming locations. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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