Is Agile Becoming Obsolete? with Nigel Thurlow
PM Therapy22 Okt 2025

Is Agile Becoming Obsolete? with Nigel Thurlow

Agile has been the buzzword in project management for over two decades, promising faster delivery, happier teams, and better outcomes. But has it really delivered on these promises? Is Agile becoming obsolete, or is the conversation more nuanced than that? In this episode of PM Therapy, Mukhtar Kadiri sits down with Nigel Thurlow, the first-ever Chief of Agile at Toyota Connected, to unpack the state of Agile today.Nigel, who helped create Scrum the Toyota Way™, has trained over 9,000 people globally and worked with major organizations like Vodafone, GE, Microsoft, 3M, and more. He shares his candid thoughts on Agile’s strengths and weaknesses, the commercialization of Agile, the “Fake Agile” epidemic, and where Agile 2.0 (or the Flow System) is headed.Whether you're a fan of Agile or a skeptic, this episode will challenge your assumptions and offer new perspectives on the future of Agile and project management.🎯 What You’ll Gain in This Episode:🔹The history and evolution of Agile and what it got right (and wrong)🔹Why Agile (and traditional project management) may be becoming obsolete🔹The rise of the “Fake Agile” epidemic and what’s really happening in organizations🔹Thoughts on Agile 2.0 and the Flow System🔹Practical implications of Agile transformations and what PMs should know🔹Nigel’s recommendations for books, apps, podcasts, and productivity hacks📉 Need help landing a $100K–$300K PM role? Book a free strategy call with us! Join our coaching program and get personalized support to achieve your PM goals! Book a call through our coaching waitlist today:https://tally.so/r/3la956🚀 Check out PM Therapy on your favorite platforms:🔹Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kuSAv0ItNewDqAh64PTph🔹YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@pmtherapypod🔹Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pm-therapy/id1812039614🔹TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pmtherapypod🔹Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pmtherapypod/🤓 Want to join live for the next episode? Follow Mukhtar on LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/comm/mynetwork/discovery-see-all?usecase=PEOPLE_FOLLOWS&followMember=m-kadir❤️ Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more expert advice on project management, Agile, leadership, and career growth!

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