How x402 Is Unlocking the Machine Payment Economy with Erik Reppel
The Rollup2 Nov 2025

How x402 Is Unlocking the Machine Payment Economy with Erik Reppel

Machines paying machines is about to become the internet's most powerful primitive.

In this episode of AI Supercycle, we sit down with Erik Reppel from Coinbase Developer Platform to discuss how x402 enables the machine payment economy, why past internet payment standards failed, and how AI agents will unlock true composability.


We discuss:

- What X402 Actually Is (Explained Simply)

- Why Past Internet Payment Standards Failed

- The Neutral, Multi-Chain Design Philosophy

- How AI Agents Will Unlock Composability

- From 4M to 1B Transactions: Erik's Bold Vision

- Payments MCP: Giving Claude Its Own Wallet


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:47 Nir Partnership Announcement

01:54 What Is x402 Explained Simply

04:20 Why Internet-Native Payments Matter Now

07:32 x402's Unique Advantages Over Alternatives

09:01 Beyond Crypto: A Neutral Standard

09:45 Relay Ad, Hibachi Ad, Alvara

10:36 x402's Evolution & Foundation Story

12:05 The Origin Story of x402

15:34 Design Decisions That Made It Work

17:29 Talus Ad, Enso Ad

17:47 Scaling to Billion Transactions

21:12 How x402 Enables the Machine Economy

23:27 Payments MCP: Claude's Wallet Explained


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