Iya Affo | Ancestral Healing and Indigenous Wisdom

Iya Affo | Ancestral Healing and Indigenous Wisdom

Trauma may be passed down through generations, but so are healing, benevolence, and spiritual guidance.

This week, Thomas sits down with Iya Affo, an international speaker and the founder of Heal Historical Trauma, to discuss ancestral trauma and wisdom, Indigenous healing traditions, and collective resilience.

Iya shares her personal journey of healing and connecting with her cultural identity, sharing how community practices and communal rituals are essential for individual and collective healing.

She and Thomas explore how historical and ancestral trauma infiltrate modern life, and share hopeful wisdom on our ability to heal those wounds and transmit healing and regulation into the future. They discuss the tension and harmony between Western practices and Indigenous medicine, the difference between becoming an “elder” and simply growing older, and how genuine wellness and spiritual growth require acknowledging our fundamental interconnectedness.


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Iya Affo is an international lecturer and historical trauma specialist. She serves as a member of Arizona State University’s Disparities in the Justice System Advisory Board and authored the trauma-informed curriculum for educators in Arizona and Native American schools. She’s an adjunct faculty member at the Trauma Institute International and founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Wellness Academy.


Connect with Iya here:

👉 http://healhistoricaltrauma.com


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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard...

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The Healing Art of Integration

The Healing Art of Integration

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Michelle Cassandra Johnson | The Honeybees’ Wisdom: Lessons on Care and Adaptation

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Bonus: Conscious Enjoyment Practice

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12 Dec 20248min

The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing

The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing

Thomas shares insights, tools, and practices to help you stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. More than ever, we are impacted by world events contributing to a state of polycrisis, where multiple traumatic events happen simultaneously. Thomas explores how we can support ourselves and others at a time when many are feeling chronic anxiety and overwhelm, while also addressing deeper layers of trauma.Each of us is part of the overall health of the collective nervous system. And as we each undergo our own healing and inner work, we influence the larger collective field. Tune in to learn how to expand your collective understanding to support more effective and multidimensional healing.#traumahealing #collectivehealing #ancestralhealing ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

10 Dec 202449min

Dr. Mariel Buqué | Breaking the Generational Trauma Cycle

Dr. Mariel Buqué | Breaking the Generational Trauma Cycle

Thomas is joined by renowned trauma psychologist, bestselling author, and CEO of Break the Cycle, Dr. Mariel Buqué. They dive deep into intergenerational trauma, exploring how it’s handed down through family lines and how we can effectively heal it. Dr. Buqué’s extensive work with trauma healing has shown the importance of healing in connection with others, especially when the traumas we’ve suffered were traumas that happened in relationship. As humans, we are interconnected, interdependent beings, and it’s healthy and natural for us to rely on each other. But trauma can make that difficult. Thomas and Dr. Buqué share holistic and professional methods for sustainable healing, stressing the importance of combining individual efforts with community support. Tune in to learn how we can break the cycles that we were unwillingly born into, and move from despair to profound hope and healing. ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Dr. Mariel Buqué is a psychologist, a world-renowned intergenerational trauma expert, and the author of the bestselling book Break the Cycle: A Guide to Healing Intergenerational Trauma. Her mission is to help reduce the recurrence of Intergenerational ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) within communities of color. Her consultation and therapy practice, the Break the Cycle Trauma Center, addresses the needs of underserved communities via a holistic system of care focused on equity and prevention.✨ Connect with Dr. Buqué here:👉 https://www.drmarielbuque.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

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Embodying Hope

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BONUS: Being Rooted in an Ancestral Context

BONUS: Being Rooted in an Ancestral Context

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