The Oprah Podcast11 Nov 2025

Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club

In this episode of Oprah’s Book Club: Presented by Starbucks, Oprah and Ann Packer discuss Some Bright Nowhere, Ann’s poignant new novel and Oprah’s 120th Book Club selection. This book explores what happens when a wife's dying request shatters everything her husband believed about their 35 years together. Ann’s evocative and beautifully written novel inspired a thought-provoking conversation among readers at a Starbucks coffeehouse in New York City. As our audience discussed the inherent challenges and life-changing insights that come with the privilege and responsibility of caregiving, they were warmed by a Starbucks holiday classic: the Peppermint Mocha.

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00:00:00 - Welcome Ann Packer, author of ‘Some Bright Nowhere’

00:02:40 - Thando shares her feelings about the main characters

00:04:50 - How Ann created the story

00:06:50 - Ann knew the ending before she started

00:07:38 - Recurring theme in Ann’s books

00:10:35 - Ann takes on hard questions

00:14:50 - How Ann wrote from the male perspective

00:17:07 - Support for male caregivers

00:25:30 - Male and female caregiving differences

00:30:38 - The difficulty of speaking your truth

00:31:54 - The power of a dying wish

00:33:48 - What cancer takes away from people

00:39:29 - What can be learned from loss

00:40:32 - Ann wants to normalize talking about death

00:42:50 - How it feels to hit send on your finished book

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